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Voor Noord en West-Europa dan toch... :fluit:
 
Aangezien er drie uit WWII op de lijst staan.
  • Generaloberst Heinz W. Guderian (vader van Heinz G. & Kurt) (kleinzoon Klaus, zoon van Kurt, vocht als Amerikaan in de Golfoorlog & Irakoorlog)
  • Generaloberst Eberhard von Mackensen (zoon van August, broer van Hans)
  • Feldmarschall Erich von Manstein (adoptievader Georg, biologische vader Eduard von Lewinski) (zoon Gerro sneuvelde in 1942)
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Robert Citino’s Top 10 German Military Commanders

Robert M. Citino, professor of European history at the University of North Texas, has written numerous histories, including The German Way of War, Death of the Wehrmacht, and Quest for Decisive Victory.

10. Heinz Guderian (1888–1954)

An important theoretician of armored warfare during the interwar era, Guderian spearheaded the great Panzer drive through the Ardennes in 1940, and his thrust across the central front of the Soviet Union in 1941, sealing off great Kessels (pockets, or cauldrons) at Bialystok, Minsk, and Smolensk, practically defines the art of Bewegungskrieg (the war of movement).​

9. Eberhard von Mackensen (1889–1969)

During the 1942 campaign, Mackensen’s III Panzer Corps may well have set a new land-speed record. Leading off at Kharkov in May, he was at the point of First Panzer Army’s drive into the Don bend, into the city of Rostov, and then again for the drive into the Caucasus in August. By the end of the campaign in November, Mackensen’s command was a single mile from the gateway city of Ordzhonikidze on the Georgian military road. He was 1,600 miles from Berlin at the time.​

8. Erich von Manstein (1887–1973)

Manstein was a genius at mechanized operations. Both as a planner (the 1940 drive through the Ardennes) and operator (signal victories in the Crimea in 1942 and the dramatic restoration of the German defensive front in late 1943), he set a high standard.​

7. Georg von Derfflinger (1606–1695)

Derfflinger was the first great field marshal in Prussian history. His relationship with the Great Elector Friedrich Wilhelm was a stormy one, made worse by Derfflinger’s insistence that “No one advances ahead of me.” His greatest moment came at age 69 when his dash from Schweinfurt to Magdeburg in 1675 caught the Swedish army napping and led to the great Prussian triumph at Fehrbellin.​

6. Friedrich Wilhelm von Seydlitz (1721–1773)

A debonair cavalry commander under Frederick the Great, Seydlitz led the cavalry charge into the center of the Austrian positions at Kolin, a bold action that helped save the Prussian army. Leapfrogging numerous older officers, he was given command of the cavalry in the Rossbach campaign. He then led the charge that caught the Franco-Imperial army in march column and routed it in 20 minutes.​

5. Friedrich Karl (1828–1885)

Known as the Red Prince, Karl was army commander in the Wars of German Unification. The prince touched off the battle of Königgrätz in 1866 by attacking an Austrian army twice the size of his own; he believed willpower could overcome poor odds. Looking back at the fight at Mars-la-Tour in 1870, he mused “You’ve never lost a battle if you don’t have the feeling you’re beaten—and I didn’t have that feeling.”​

4. Friedrich Wilhelm I (1620–1688)

The Elector created the Prussian Army. He commanded it in its first great victory (over the Poles at Warsaw in 1656); he made his country a player by defeating the feared Swedes at Fehrbellin in 1675; then, in his greatest campaign, he beat them again in East Prussia in the Winter Campaign of 1678–1679 (with his lead elements riding sleighs). He invented the kurtz und vives (short and lively) war—a model for all later Prussian and German commanders.​

3. Gebhard von Blücher (1742–1819)

The hero of Waterloo was an oddball who wedded innate battlefield aggression to a visceral hatred of the French enemy he faced. He apparently never did learn how to read a map properly, but as one later officer put it, old “Marshal Forward” rarely stopped to ask, “How strong is the enemy?” He preferred a much simpler question: “Where is he?”​

2. Helmuth Karl Bernhard Graf von Moltke (1800–1891)

Theoretician and war fighter, Moltke carried out reforms in the Prussian army in the 1850s, equipped troops with the breechloading rifle, and improved Prussia’s railroads. From 1864–1871, he led the army in three successful wars. His understanding of the role of chance in the modern campaign and his willingness to allow his commanders initiative in the field make him relevant today.​

1. Frederick the Great (1712–1786)

The greatest of them all, Frederick was the most aggressive battlefield commander of the 18th century. His standing order to his cavalry commanders to get their charge in first or face dismissal, his belief that “the Prussian army always attacks,” his repeated willingness to take on armies that vastly outnumbered him: all these added up to a crucial moral advantage over his adversaries. The 1757 campaign, with its back-to-back smashing of the Franco-Imperial Army at Rossbach in November 1757 and the Austrians at Leuthen in December, made him immortal.​


P.S. Er valt trouwens iets op. Geen enkele Duitser uit WWI.​
 
Ik weet ook wie de grootste beunhaas is

Hitler natuurlijk. Met zn ego in Stalingrad en verder in Oekraine nog met zn stand houden ook al verloren zaak
 
Daarover gesproken...

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A leading expert reexamines history to offer a stunningly original portrait of Hitler as a competent military commander and strategist

After Germany's humiliating World War II defeat, numerous German generals published memoirs claiming that their country's brilliant military leadership had been undermined by the Fuhrer's erratic decision making. The author of three highly acclaimed books on the era, Stephen Fritz upends this characterization of Hitler as an ill-informed fantasist and demonstrates the ways in which his strategy was coherent and even competent.

That Hitler saw World War II as the only way to retrieve Germany's fortunes and build an expansionist Thousand-Year Reich is uncontroversial. But while his generals did sometimes object to Hitler's tactics and operational direction, they often made the same errors in judgment and were in agreement regarding larger strategic and political goals. A necessary volume for understanding the influence of World War I on Hitler's thinking, this work is also an eye-opening reappraisal of major events like the invasion of Russia and the battle for Normandy.

Stephen G. Fritz is professor at East Tennessee State University. His books include Frontsoldaten: The German Soldier in World War II and Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East.




“Perhaps the best account we have to date of Hitler’s military leadership. It shows a scrupulous and imaginative historian at work and will cement Fritz’s reputation as one of the leading historians of the military conflicts generated by Hitler’s Germany.”—Richard Overy, author of The Bombing War

“Magnificent. Hitler emerges as a complex and nuanced military leader who cannot simply be dismissed as the dogmatic ideologue or the corporal in command. Original, insightful and authoritative Fritz’s latest work is something I will return to again and again.”—David Stahel, author of The Battle for Moscow

“Cuts a swathe through the reconstituted arguments of countless other books about Hitler. Meticulously researched and adopting a thoroughly readable style, Fritz offers profound new insights about Hitler as commander. This is a volume which should serve as a warning to strategic leaders who become blinkered by ideology, self-absorbed and neglect the requirements of successful leadership.”—Lloyd Clark, author of Blitzkrieg
 
Denk dat de hogere militaire offcieren wat dichter bij het vuur zaten om er objectiever over te oordelen
 
Trivia Time: Günter Halm (1922 – 2017) met z'n 19 jaar de jongste ridderkruisdrager v.h. DAK. (POW: Kessel von Falaise, 1944)

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Demjanjuk war ein Niemand.
 
Typisch zo'n gozer uit die periode waarvan je jou afvraagt waarom hij zo 'beroemd' is. Het was nota bene iemand die zelf als raciaal inferieur werd gezien. We hebben het dus niet eens over een (mogelijke) nazi. Daarbij komt ook nog eens dat duizenden mannen en vrouwen bewaker zijn geweest. :o
 
Als Grozny mensen met een zwaard de gaskamers inprikte en oren afsneedt. Plus weet ik veel wat voor ongein dan snap ik dat het Joodse volk hem graag berecht had gezien. Niet de architect maar de uitvoerder.
 
Heydrich, Glücks, Globocnik en Eichmann waren er niets bij.

John was niemand. Waarom geen miniserie over alle lokale helpers uit het oosten? Dat was veel interessanter geweest.
Met zijn veroordeling kreeg Duitsland een nieuw kader om anderen ook te vervolgen.
Ik denk dat je de vervolging v.d. mensen die bv. betrokken waren bij de holocaust door de geallieerden, Duitsland en zelfs Israël behoorlijk overschat.

(en dan laat ik de strafmaat nog even achterwege)
 
Wel mooi om te zien dat Isräel een rechtstaat is waar ook een vermeende nazicrimineel vrijgesproken kan worden. Weet niet hoe dat vroeger achter het Ijzeren Gordijn aan toe ging met de vonnissen maar wel fascinerend om te zien.

Mooi mannetje die Yoram Sheftel btw.
 
Heydrich, Glücks, Globocnik en Eichmann waren er niets bij.

John was niemand.
Bewakers waren geen kopstukken maar waren op de hoogte en deden mee in het totaalplaatje. Als ik jou in een ruimte afslacht en de bewaker voorkomt dat jij kan vluchten kunnen anderen tegen nabestaanden roepen de bewaker was niemand maar daar denken nabestaanden vast anders over, net als de rechters.
 
Weet niet hoe dat vroeger achter het Ijzeren Gordijn aan toe ging met de vonnissen maar wel fascinerend om te zien.
Dat zou ik niet erg serieus nemen. Reguliere soldaten konden bv. 25 jaar krijgen omdat ze zogezegd ergens vee hadden gestolen.

Josef "Frankenstein" Blösche kreeg in de jaren 60 de doodstraf in de DDR. Ironisch genoeg was uitgerekend hij een Duitsers die wel vrij snel werd vrijgelaten door de Sovjets. Terwijl veel reguliere Duitse soldaten tot de interventie van Adenauer vastzaten. De laatste Vlaming kwam pas thuis in 1961. (als ik me niet vergis)
 
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