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Stukje van patrick arnold: (was een reactie op een opmerking van mijop bb.com)
Ik maak de volgende opmerking
There's a big difference when taking 3 weeks 1-ad and d-boll together, because you only will get all the gains of the d-boll.
1-ad converts in 1-test. 900 mg 1-test has the same effect as the AAS Primobolan Depot.
The difference between 1-test and primobolan depot is that 1-test misses the 1-methyl group, so thats why you need a high dose for the same effect as primo!
Normally you are taking D-boll to start your cycle and build some mass(water/intramusculair vet) and power!
Lets say you do a cycle test/d-boll, you inject the test and the d-boll is orally
After your first inject it will last abouth three weeks before the test kicks in, ik those 3 weeks you already are on d-boll and building power/mass!
Normally d-boll is taken for 6 weeks max at a dose between 30/40 mg a day, if you use it more than 6 weeks it's toxic for the liver!
So better stay on a 1-ad/4-ad cycle this compares better!
Pa zegt:
You seem to be only looking at oral bioavailablity. Big mistake. consider this
Methenolone (primobolan) is around 30% as anabolic as test prop by injection (injection infers 100% bioavailability)
1-testosterone is around 200% as anabolic as test prop by injection.
Therefore, 1-test is around 600% as anabolic as methenolone
Not a trivial point to miss, and also the reason why results from 1-AD and 1-test (at their active dosages) are by and large quite a bit more pronounced than oral primo
Ik vraag:
Oke pat, but why does primo contains the 1-methyl group? You said yourself that primo without the 1-methyl is the same as 1-testosterone, wich is around 200% as anabolic as test prop by injection.
Than primo would be better and stronger without the 1-methyl
Pa antwoord:
Well, removal of the 1-methyl makes it more anabolic, but it also makes it much more androgenic.
Primo has a much better anabolic/androgenic ratio than 1-test. In medical therapeutics, it was the ratio that was most important, not absolute anabolic activity. These drugs were designed to treat men, women, and even children - not bodybuilders
Ik zeg:
One last thing:
OW BC said on a dutch board, for the same results you can gain with primo when you're on 1-test, you have to take 9 times the dose of 1-test to get the same results as primo
You say: 1-test is more anabolic as primo
So when i'm done with my cycle i'll see who's right
Pa zegt:
I do not like when someone pulls a number out of thin air like that, as if they have some goddam divine authority that grants them knowledge that is impossible to have due to lack of evidence (translation: never listen to numbnuts like Big Cat)
1-test is more anabolic than primo by injection. This we know because the literature is indisputable on that. Whether it is more anabolic than primo by oral administration is not as clear - primo may gain some ground on 1-test here due to better oral bioavailability.
In the real world, Primo is not very potent orally - even at doses of 50-100mg a day. OTOH, we have all observed that 1-AD and 1-test can be somewhat potent at doses of 300-600mg a day. Unfortunately I don't know anyone that has tried oral primo alone at a dose of over 100mg a day, so the connection breaks down
Ik maak de volgende opmerking
There's a big difference when taking 3 weeks 1-ad and d-boll together, because you only will get all the gains of the d-boll.
1-ad converts in 1-test. 900 mg 1-test has the same effect as the AAS Primobolan Depot.
The difference between 1-test and primobolan depot is that 1-test misses the 1-methyl group, so thats why you need a high dose for the same effect as primo!
Normally you are taking D-boll to start your cycle and build some mass(water/intramusculair vet) and power!
Lets say you do a cycle test/d-boll, you inject the test and the d-boll is orally
After your first inject it will last abouth three weeks before the test kicks in, ik those 3 weeks you already are on d-boll and building power/mass!
Normally d-boll is taken for 6 weeks max at a dose between 30/40 mg a day, if you use it more than 6 weeks it's toxic for the liver!
So better stay on a 1-ad/4-ad cycle this compares better!
Pa zegt:
You seem to be only looking at oral bioavailablity. Big mistake. consider this
Methenolone (primobolan) is around 30% as anabolic as test prop by injection (injection infers 100% bioavailability)
1-testosterone is around 200% as anabolic as test prop by injection.
Therefore, 1-test is around 600% as anabolic as methenolone
Not a trivial point to miss, and also the reason why results from 1-AD and 1-test (at their active dosages) are by and large quite a bit more pronounced than oral primo
Ik vraag:
Oke pat, but why does primo contains the 1-methyl group? You said yourself that primo without the 1-methyl is the same as 1-testosterone, wich is around 200% as anabolic as test prop by injection.
Than primo would be better and stronger without the 1-methyl
Pa antwoord:
Well, removal of the 1-methyl makes it more anabolic, but it also makes it much more androgenic.
Primo has a much better anabolic/androgenic ratio than 1-test. In medical therapeutics, it was the ratio that was most important, not absolute anabolic activity. These drugs were designed to treat men, women, and even children - not bodybuilders
Ik zeg:
One last thing:
OW BC said on a dutch board, for the same results you can gain with primo when you're on 1-test, you have to take 9 times the dose of 1-test to get the same results as primo
You say: 1-test is more anabolic as primo
So when i'm done with my cycle i'll see who's right
Pa zegt:
I do not like when someone pulls a number out of thin air like that, as if they have some goddam divine authority that grants them knowledge that is impossible to have due to lack of evidence (translation: never listen to numbnuts like Big Cat)
1-test is more anabolic than primo by injection. This we know because the literature is indisputable on that. Whether it is more anabolic than primo by oral administration is not as clear - primo may gain some ground on 1-test here due to better oral bioavailability.
In the real world, Primo is not very potent orally - even at doses of 50-100mg a day. OTOH, we have all observed that 1-AD and 1-test can be somewhat potent at doses of 300-600mg a day. Unfortunately I don't know anyone that has tried oral primo alone at a dose of over 100mg a day, so the connection breaks down
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