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"The saturation of the INS, CR, and AAs is going to be around your workout, which is one of the best times of the day to achieve the maximum anabolism. As stated by the Diabetes Journal “Insulin reduce muscle release of AAs mainly by inhibition of protein breakdown.” 1 Thus, when you take in INS, you will be able to lower the rate at which your muscle is broken down; thus, you will be increasing your ability to grow. In
addition, when combined with AAs “insulin also enhance AA-induced muscle protein synthesis (PS).”1 In addition, “AAs reduce protein breakdown and increased synthesis.” 1 Overall, the combination is super anabolic and creatine is going to increase
the ATP synthesis; therefore, the trio combination along w/ any other supplements you’ll take will create the ultimate environment for growth."

"Since you have the products now, let’s look at the big picture. Before your workout (10min before), you do 2 IUs INS and take 2 tbsp. AAs w/ 20g carbs and 20 g protein.
Get in the gym and train like an animal, preferred heavy lifting to failure like beyondfailure- HIT-training. Before you finish your workout, 10 min before – about the time you have 4 sets left, take 4 tbsp. AAs mixed w/ 10g CR, and the last 4 sets should be high volume – 25+ reps where you rep to failure with a semi-light weight. Remember, this is all done for the bodypart/parts you’re training that day, so on a bi/tri day, you’ll do 4sets bi’s/4 tri’s, and if it’s only a chest day then you do 4 sets chest only and so on.
As soon as you’re done with your workout, take 10IUs INS, immediately drink a protein shake that has: 50g protein, 100g carbs. Use only whey protein. For the carbs, use dextrose. With the shake, mix in 3 tbsp. of AAs and 15g CR."


Oke wel slin injecteren is voor mij geen optie. Maar ik zit te denken aan een insuline afgifte verhogend supplement om zo veel mogelijk hetzelfde resultaat te bereiken.


Ik kopieer vanuit een onderzoek:

"Conclusions:

Mechanisms via how you can manipulate nutrient partitioning....i.e. Insulin levels/Blood Glucose levels.

a)Non-insulin mediated glucose partitioning(Or if you prefer disposal). These types of supplements(For example R-ALA and Acetyl-L-Carnitine) work INDEPENDENT of insulin. They have little effect on its release or degradation in the bloodstream. What they do, is increase translocation of intra-cellular Glut-4’s(Glucose Transporters) to the outside of the cellular membrane albeit in the adipocytes(fat cells) and miocytes(muscle cells). The net result, is that more glucose is diverted to the miocytes, and less to the adipocytes. In hypocaloric diets, this means, more fat-loss, and better muscle preservation. In hypercaloric diets, this means more muscle gain, and less fat gain.
b) Insulin mediated glucose partitioning(or disposal). These types of supplements actually influence AA transport b/c they work through insulin signalling pathways. CLA is a good example. CLA works by increasing AA and glucose transport into the muscle cells via insulin stimulated pathways, and therefore in hypocaloric diets acts as an anti-catabolic. CLA also keeps blood glucose levels more stable. In essence preventing preventing high blood glucose or hypoglycaemia after a carb meal."


Dus mijn vraag: Wat wil je in deze situatie liever? De directe of indirecte werking? R-ALA of CLA? De doseringen CLA in het betreffende onderzoek liggen erg hoog namelijk tussen de 8 en 12 gram.

Verder een andere vraag:

Door het nemen van vloeibare AA's en het nemen van whey proteine gaan deze niet met elkaar concurreren en zo ja op een negatieve manier?




Hoop dat je me iets verder kan helpen

check btw eens het forum van perry bij je eigen post bij de foto afdeling
 
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Geen enkele, de mens functioneert optimaal onder een zekere insuline resistentie, let ook op de referentie want daar staat duidelijk dat dit veroorzaakt wordt door insuline, en niet het partitionerend effect. Teneinde dit te bereiken, is het beste insuline verhogend middel nog steeds een dieet rijk in koolhydraten. Dit is ook meerdere malen bevestigd, want massa komt exponentieel sneller aan als KH niveau hoog is. Daartegenover staat natuurlijk, hoe dik wil je worden voor genoeg genoeg is ?
 

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jammer alleen dat niet ieder mens hetzelfde is... de mensen die nogal KH gevoelig zijn en sneller vet aanzetten, hebben een probleem als ze hun KH inname beduidend gaan verhogen om insulinespiegels te verhogen en hierdoor niet alleen spiermassa maar ook vet aanzetten.
 

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vandaar dus een cycledieet, dat op zich goed zou moeten werken. Alhoewel er redenen zijn om dat tegen te spreken.

Dat neemt echter niet weg, dat het het een keertje waard is om te proberen.
 

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Originally posted by kingnbajam
jammer alleen dat niet ieder mens hetzelfde is... de mensen die nogal KH gevoelig zijn en sneller vet aanzetten, hebben een probleem als ze hun KH inname beduidend gaan verhogen om insulinespiegels te verhogen en hierdoor niet alleen spiermassa maar ook vet aanzetten.

Dat is helaas zo... niks aan te doen dan.. bij het aanzetten van massa word je altijd vetter.. ik heb dat zelf ook behoorlijk, maar het is of of.. dus eerst maar bulken dan cutten.. het houdt de uitdaging erin :)
 

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Lower calorie intake enhances muscle insulin action and reduces hexosamine levels
Annie C. Gazdag1, Thomas J. Wetter2, Robert T. Davidson1, Katherine A. Robinson3, Maria G. Buse3, Alice J. Yee4, Lorraine P. Turcotte4, and Gregory D. Cartee1,2 Biodynamics Laboratory, Departments of 1 Nutritional Sciences and 2 Kinesiology, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin 53706; 3 Department of Medicine, Medical University of South Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina 29425; and 4 Department of Exercise Sciences, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90089
Previous studies have demonstrated enhanced insulin sensitivity in calorie-restricted [CR, fed 60% ad libitum (AL) one time daily] compared with AL-fed rats. To evaluate the effects of reduced food intake, independent of temporal differences in consumption, we studied AL (unlimited food access)-fed and CR (fed one time daily) rats along with groups temporally matched for feeding [fed 3 meals (M) daily]: MAL and MCR, eating 100 and 60% of AL intake, respectively. Insulin-stimulated glucose transport by isolated muscle was increased in MCR and CR vs. AL and MAL; there was no significant difference for MCR vs. CR or MAL vs. AL. Intramuscular triglyceride concentration, which is inversely related to insulin sensitivity in some conditions, did not differ among groups. Muscle concentration of UDP-N-acetylhexosamines [end products of the hexosamine biosynthetic pathway (HBP)] was lower in MCR vs. MAL despite unaltered glutamine-fructose-6-phosphate aminotransferase activity (rate-limiting enzyme for HBP). These results indicate that the CR-induced increase in insulin-stimulated glucose transport in muscle is attributable to an altered amount, not timing, of food intake and is independent of lower triglyceride concentration. They further suggest that enhanced insulin action might involve changes in HBP.
I am pretty sure of the fact that you do not have to understand the study itself, all you need to do is take a look at the title. Now, we are clear on the fact: Lower Calorie intake enhances muscle insulin action and reduces hexosamine levels. The main point of this would be the “INCREASE IN MUSCLE INSULIN ACTION”, which at first sight might seem like the newest bullshit fad in dieting, but I’ll be frankly honest with you: it’s totally true. As a result, I will base my Simple-Bulking Up-Part 2 on this study, and I will lead you the reader to a revolutionary way of bulking…let’s call it, just for the purpose of this article, cycle-bulking.
The name, Cycle-Bulking, should pretty much explain itself, basically you cycle your calories from low to high for maximum results, yet this differs from Protein/Carb Cycling because the way we are looking at this is NOT carb/protein but more of a overall calories intake. Since, we know that low-calories will induce better insulin action, and high-calories will put on mass, I would say this is the perfect combination for the average-bodybuilder to put on mass.
Let’s begin by looking at the way you can cycle your calories, and why…First, you must understand that you need pre and post workout nutrition to grow and, therefore, I do not recommend going low-cal on your training days. Instead, you follow the simple equation: workout=high-calories…no workout=low-calories
Here is a chart that breaks down the calories for Training Days/Non-Training Days.
TRAINING: (same as bulking-up part 1)
1)Set calories at 20cal/lb
2)Set protein intake at 2g/lb
-Protein has 4cal/g
3)Set Carb. Intake at 1.5g/lb
-Carbs have 4cal/g
4)Set Fat intake at 0.65g/lb
-Fat has 9cal/g
Ratios (% calorie from total) : 40% protein/ 30% carbs/ 30% fat
NON-TRAINING DAYS:
1)Set calories at 10cal/lb
2)Set protein intake at 0.83g/lb
-Protein has 4cal/g
3)Set Carb. Intake at 0.83g/lb
-Carbs have 4cal/g
4)Set Fat intake at 0.37g/lb
-Fat has 9cal/g
Ratios (% calorie from total) : ~33% protein/ 33% carbs/ 33% fat
200lbs. MAN – EXAMPLE:
1)200lbs x 10cal/lb=2000cal.
2)200lbs x 0.83g/lb=166g protein
-Protein has 4cal/g
--166g x 4cal/g=664 cal from protein
3)200lbs x 0.83g/lb=166g carbs
-Carbs have 4cal/g
--166g x 4cal/g=664 cal from carbs
4)200lbs x 0.37g/lb=74g fat
-Fat has 9cal/g
--74g x 9cal/g=666 cal from fat
Ratios (% calorie from total) : 33% protein/ 33% carbs/ 33% fat
We now have a simple cycle-bulking program, where we go from BMR+60% then a drastic lowering to BMR-20%, which will improve muscle gains and decrease the amount of fat-storage from your mass diet. For, you have to understand that it’s factual that fat-gain will be one of the factors when putting on mass, therefore, a common recommendation and way of avoidance of fat-gain is calorie cycling. You can actually be very creative and make up your own ways to cycle your calories so they work for your specific body-type and metabolism. These are basic rule-of-thumb ratios and they do not bring about the same results for everyone.



Denk je dat deze methode werkt? BC of anderen?



En wat vind je van het idee om 10min voor de training 20gram carbs, 20 gram protein en 2 eetlepels Aminoacids te nemen. Verder wordt hier een slin inject aangeraden maar is dit niet vervangbaar??


En 10 min voor het eind van de training 4 eetlepels Aminoacids met 10 gram creatine.

Heeft dit nog wel nut? Want normaal gaat men uit dat je voor die tijd slin hebt gezet.
 

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Originally posted by kingnbajam
jammer alleen dat niet ieder mens hetzelfde is... de mensen die nogal KH gevoelig zijn en sneller vet aanzetten, hebben een probleem als ze hun KH inname beduidend gaan verhogen om insulinespiegels te verhogen en hierdoor niet alleen spiermassa maar ook vet aanzetten.
Bekende verhaal, niemand wil vet worden maar wel gespierd.
Als je spiermassa wil winnen zal je jezelf moeten overtuigen dat dit niet kan zonder aanzienlijke winst van vet.
En hoe sneller je spiermassa wint, hoe sneller er vet bijkomt.
Bij de 1 al wat meer dan de andere.
 

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