Kwam op een ander forum een echte expert tegen en vroeg hem eens om het artikel "the sane cycle" the bekijken. Misschien interessant voor je om te lezen. Dit was de reactie:
it can actually benefit us in lengthening our life-span and increasing our quality of life.
Certainly this has never been proven in medical literature. Anabolic use can differently increase the quality of life especially older men but increasing life span is purely speculation.
steroids have never led to the death of any person, and that they are far less lethal than most over the counter products, such as plain aspirin, they should really be legal.
I love this argument, comparing AAS to Tylenol, Motrin or Aspirin which can all be hepatotoxic in large consumptions. He makes a valid argument in his analogy, and yes aspirin can cause side-effects (tinnitus, dizziness, heartburn, peptic ulcers, increased bleeding times, etc). What you have to be careful of are the long term side-effects of AAS use. Acutely, I would agree AAS are as safe as any other OTC medication. But medical literature shows that complications can occur later down the road such as heart disease, coronary artery disease, cardiomyopathy.
AAS is not for everyone. I would never advocate the use of AAS for any individual with uncontrolled hypertension (high blood pressure), renal disease (kidney failure), cardiac disease, liver disease or who are on certain medications.
quest to refute the dangers of steroid use have asked me for help in proving these facts to sceptics and laymen, and this is EXTREMELY difficult because of the large amount of propaganda they have had to endure over past years.
100% correct with this statement, media has not helped with AAS use.
For cycle duration I have chosen 12 weeks.
12 weeks is a good happy medium especially for beginners. My cycles are usually between 10-16 weeks. Everyone’s body is different and this one variable which can very greatly from individual to individual.
As a rule we will use equal time off as on.
This is the old golden rule; duration of cycle in weeks = duration off steroids in weeks. This rule is not a commandment of AAS use. Different individuals HPTA will recover at different time intervals. 6 weeks, in my opinion, would be the absolute minimum time off. Certainly if you follow the rule you can be fairly sure that your HPTA will be recovered.
Trenbolone and nandrolone (Deca-Durabolin, Laurabolin, Durabolin) are excluded because they are too suppressive.
He is correct in this statement. Deca and Tren due to their molecular are very androgenic (tren is 3x androgenic than test). As a result, they are very suppressive to the HPTA. I personally like both of these AAS, with the use of HCG one can overcome the HPTA shut-down. My personal opinion is that new AAS users should wait until doing 3-4 cycles before trying tren.
Andriol because it is ineffective
Absolute waist of money- author is dead on with this
oxandrolone (Anavar) because a useful dose (75+ mg per day) is too expensive,
If one can get Anavar at a cheap price it is a wonderful agent for strength and hardness. For those of you who cannot afford it no worries. It’s almost comparable to being on dbol while running Arimidex .25-.50mg (to avoid the bloat) at ¼ the cost.
Primo is a decent androgen, but seems to have no other mode of action.
Never tried primo. There are too many fakes out there and the chances of getting real primo is close to zero. If you look on other boards who have had primo tested, almost all contain little or no active ingredient. Becareful with this one.
We will also exclude methandrostenolone (Dianabol) and oxymetholone (Anadrol). While these are useful drugs at the beginning of a cycle, especially as far as bulk and strength, they fall outside of what we are looking for : a long term cycling plan with relatively lean results.
I somewhat disagree with this statement. Before the availability of anti-es, d-bol would cost tremendous weight gain do to the high aromotization of testosterone to estrogen. This would ultimately cause a lot of bloating. If one were to run Arimidex, femura etc with d-bol the results would be lean muscle without excess bloat. D-bol is a very cost effective drug and when cycled right can cause great increases in strength and mass.
On top of that I want to make a case for stanozolol (Winstrol/Stromba) and I do not feel comfortable recommending the use of two orals, due to liver toxicity (eventhough liver toxicity is a tad exaggerated, but then that just allows us more leeway with the winny).
Winstrol has it’s place for bodybuilders but maybe not for the beginner. Author stands corrected about the liver enzymes being blown out of proportion. What’s more important to realize is the negative impact winstrol has on your HDL. HDL is your good cholesterol (you want this value to be high). If your HDL is low it is actually a risk factor for heart disease. Winny will severly decrease your HDL levels. One should be aware of this so that he/she can get regular lipid screens. To counteract the sides of the HDL, one could take Niacin or lipitor but becareful both of these drugs are hepatotoxic (liver toxic) so your doc will need to watch your LFTs (liver function tests-(ast, alt, GGt)
testosterone. That is why we not only use it, it will be the base for our cycle. And it should be for any health-conscious cycle.
Testosterone should be the base of every cycle that one is one. It is an excellent foundation and when combined with deca/tren can alleviate the coïtusual side-effects. This is a golden rule in cycling “Test is the foundation of every cycle”.
Many people regard DHT as the enemy, because among these androgen-specific tissues are the scalp (aggravating a genetic tendency to hair loss) and the skin (causing outbreaks of acne). But in fact DHT is more than that to us. Since it is the prime androgen in nerve tissue, it will be imperative to have ample DHT levels for optimal neuromuscular response. This is why many people taking the 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor finasteride (Proscar) find that their strength does not increase, or even decreases.
Excellent point on behalf of the author. If trying to prevent hairloss, one should stick to using topical agents to avoid blocking DHT systemically
steroid use has been known to cause or aggravate Benign prostate hypertrophy,
Absolutley correct, we have talked about this topic in recent threads.
But the latest research determines that estrogen is in fact the causative factor, although a level of androgenic action is required. Androgens have actually been proferred as a therapeutic means to treat BPH.
Currently this is still speculation and trials are being conducted. I wish Bigcat would have sited the journal were he got this info. Newer evidence is pointing to the fluctuating levels of androgens in the body. Men who have been castrated still can develop BPH
I have to run and teach a chem class, i'll finish with my thoughts later tonight. Anyone else feel free to critique as well. [/B]
it can actually benefit us in lengthening our life-span and increasing our quality of life.
Certainly this has never been proven in medical literature. Anabolic use can differently increase the quality of life especially older men but increasing life span is purely speculation.
steroids have never led to the death of any person, and that they are far less lethal than most over the counter products, such as plain aspirin, they should really be legal.
I love this argument, comparing AAS to Tylenol, Motrin or Aspirin which can all be hepatotoxic in large consumptions. He makes a valid argument in his analogy, and yes aspirin can cause side-effects (tinnitus, dizziness, heartburn, peptic ulcers, increased bleeding times, etc). What you have to be careful of are the long term side-effects of AAS use. Acutely, I would agree AAS are as safe as any other OTC medication. But medical literature shows that complications can occur later down the road such as heart disease, coronary artery disease, cardiomyopathy.
AAS is not for everyone. I would never advocate the use of AAS for any individual with uncontrolled hypertension (high blood pressure), renal disease (kidney failure), cardiac disease, liver disease or who are on certain medications.
quest to refute the dangers of steroid use have asked me for help in proving these facts to sceptics and laymen, and this is EXTREMELY difficult because of the large amount of propaganda they have had to endure over past years.
100% correct with this statement, media has not helped with AAS use.
For cycle duration I have chosen 12 weeks.
12 weeks is a good happy medium especially for beginners. My cycles are usually between 10-16 weeks. Everyone’s body is different and this one variable which can very greatly from individual to individual.
As a rule we will use equal time off as on.
This is the old golden rule; duration of cycle in weeks = duration off steroids in weeks. This rule is not a commandment of AAS use. Different individuals HPTA will recover at different time intervals. 6 weeks, in my opinion, would be the absolute minimum time off. Certainly if you follow the rule you can be fairly sure that your HPTA will be recovered.
Trenbolone and nandrolone (Deca-Durabolin, Laurabolin, Durabolin) are excluded because they are too suppressive.
He is correct in this statement. Deca and Tren due to their molecular are very androgenic (tren is 3x androgenic than test). As a result, they are very suppressive to the HPTA. I personally like both of these AAS, with the use of HCG one can overcome the HPTA shut-down. My personal opinion is that new AAS users should wait until doing 3-4 cycles before trying tren.
Andriol because it is ineffective
Absolute waist of money- author is dead on with this
oxandrolone (Anavar) because a useful dose (75+ mg per day) is too expensive,
If one can get Anavar at a cheap price it is a wonderful agent for strength and hardness. For those of you who cannot afford it no worries. It’s almost comparable to being on dbol while running Arimidex .25-.50mg (to avoid the bloat) at ¼ the cost.
Primo is a decent androgen, but seems to have no other mode of action.
Never tried primo. There are too many fakes out there and the chances of getting real primo is close to zero. If you look on other boards who have had primo tested, almost all contain little or no active ingredient. Becareful with this one.
We will also exclude methandrostenolone (Dianabol) and oxymetholone (Anadrol). While these are useful drugs at the beginning of a cycle, especially as far as bulk and strength, they fall outside of what we are looking for : a long term cycling plan with relatively lean results.
I somewhat disagree with this statement. Before the availability of anti-es, d-bol would cost tremendous weight gain do to the high aromotization of testosterone to estrogen. This would ultimately cause a lot of bloating. If one were to run Arimidex, femura etc with d-bol the results would be lean muscle without excess bloat. D-bol is a very cost effective drug and when cycled right can cause great increases in strength and mass.
On top of that I want to make a case for stanozolol (Winstrol/Stromba) and I do not feel comfortable recommending the use of two orals, due to liver toxicity (eventhough liver toxicity is a tad exaggerated, but then that just allows us more leeway with the winny).
Winstrol has it’s place for bodybuilders but maybe not for the beginner. Author stands corrected about the liver enzymes being blown out of proportion. What’s more important to realize is the negative impact winstrol has on your HDL. HDL is your good cholesterol (you want this value to be high). If your HDL is low it is actually a risk factor for heart disease. Winny will severly decrease your HDL levels. One should be aware of this so that he/she can get regular lipid screens. To counteract the sides of the HDL, one could take Niacin or lipitor but becareful both of these drugs are hepatotoxic (liver toxic) so your doc will need to watch your LFTs (liver function tests-(ast, alt, GGt)
testosterone. That is why we not only use it, it will be the base for our cycle. And it should be for any health-conscious cycle.
Testosterone should be the base of every cycle that one is one. It is an excellent foundation and when combined with deca/tren can alleviate the coïtusual side-effects. This is a golden rule in cycling “Test is the foundation of every cycle”.
Many people regard DHT as the enemy, because among these androgen-specific tissues are the scalp (aggravating a genetic tendency to hair loss) and the skin (causing outbreaks of acne). But in fact DHT is more than that to us. Since it is the prime androgen in nerve tissue, it will be imperative to have ample DHT levels for optimal neuromuscular response. This is why many people taking the 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor finasteride (Proscar) find that their strength does not increase, or even decreases.
Excellent point on behalf of the author. If trying to prevent hairloss, one should stick to using topical agents to avoid blocking DHT systemically
steroid use has been known to cause or aggravate Benign prostate hypertrophy,
Absolutley correct, we have talked about this topic in recent threads.
But the latest research determines that estrogen is in fact the causative factor, although a level of androgenic action is required. Androgens have actually been proferred as a therapeutic means to treat BPH.
Currently this is still speculation and trials are being conducted. I wish Bigcat would have sited the journal were he got this info. Newer evidence is pointing to the fluctuating levels of androgens in the body. Men who have been castrated still can develop BPH
I have to run and teach a chem class, i'll finish with my thoughts later tonight. Anyone else feel free to critique as well. [/B]
