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Experienced Lifter thinks about trying AAS

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panoshero92

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Dear friends,

Please excuse me for the English, but my Dutch is not so good.
Hello, my name is Panos, a 28 yr old Cypriot and I live and work in Delft for the last 2 yrs.
I have been lifting weights since I was 15, and I was involved in various sports like football, martial arts and fitness.

For the last 2 yrs I've been training consistently with weights 3x per week, mainly focusing on strength, (and cutting during summer months)
My training contains all compound exercises, like deadlift, squats, pullups, bench press, dips and overhead press.

Before the corona situation, I could deadlift 120kgx6 and squat 100kgx8 at my leg day. My BW is around +- 80kg.
Here's my issue: For the last 2 years, I have seen minor gains, and my strength hasn't increased much.

I cannot say I have reached my limit, but I have notices, even in my best lifting days, when I put more effort, I see not so much results.
I have been natty forever and I have only taken protein and creatine.
I never really thought about taking anabolic steroids, until recently, because I want to see if I can break my plateau.
However, I have absolutely no idea about steroids, and I am asking for some humble opinions about the subject.
There's so much mis-information in the internet, which got me really confused.
I am thinking to try when I get back in the gym.
I would like to know about the benefits and what are the side-effects, and how to start.
Would like to hear your thoughts.

Kind regards,
Panos
 

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Don't start
 

BJJ87

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I could be wrong but those weights don’t seem anywhere near what you should be able to lift after that time of training, i think you can gain more before even considering using AAS,

Now i don’t know shit about steroids so can’t give you any advice on that.
Maybe post how you train and eat, seems like you can gain more in a natural way
 

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squat 100x8 is that a full squat or half repper?
deadlift 120x6 is that a touch and go or stop and go?
what is your bench and overhead press?
what is your exact training program? sets, reps frequency etc
 

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with a bodyweight of 82kg you should be a little stronger after two years maybe 10-20% but i have seen worse.
 

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why do you call yourself a experienced lifter?
you said you have been training about two years specifically for strength
 

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I think you should eat a little more halloumi
 

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So my latest training regime (before the coronavirus situation) was strength - hypertrophy
3x per week ():
- Back - triceps (pull-push)
- Chest - Bisceps (pull-push)
- Legs - shoulders

week 1:
pulldowns 4x8
rows 4x8
deadlift 4x6
cable face pull 4x8
triceps extensions 4x8
skullcrashers 4x8
Abs leg rises 3x10
bench press 4x6
weighted dips 4x6
Machine flys 4x8
inclined bench dumbells 4x8
Barbell curls 4x8
Dumbell curls 4x8
Abs machine
Leg press 4x8
leg extensions/flexions 4x8
Squats 4x6
calves rises 4x8
reverse flys 4x8
Overhead press 4x6
front rises 4x8
internal/external rotations 3x10
week 2:
pullups 4x8
barbell rows 4x8
romanian deadlift 4x6
cable face pull 4x8
triceps extensions 4x8
french press 4x8
Planks
dumbell bench press 4x8
inclined bench press 4x6
dumbel flys 4x8
closed pushups 4x8
Barbell curls 4x8
Dumbell curls 4x8
Abs leg rises 3x10
Barbel lunges 4x8
Squats 4x6
leg extensions/flexions 4x8
calves 4x8
shoulder press 4x6
cable front rises 4x8
clean 4x6

My squats are 90 degrees, no more no less
Deadlifts are touch and go.
Due to past injuries, my bench press is not so good anymore 80kgx6
overhead press also not so good 40x6
 

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why not full body 3 times a week?
i think you should be further.
fix your problems maybe through a coach?
not anabolics.
 

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I tried full body, but then I cannot focus on minor muscles, only compound
3 times is optimal for me, to keep balance with work and rest, more seems overloading
 

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3 times a week should be enough, just do full body, most people get stronger and get more and better results this way instead of doing a huge number of isolation work

If you feel like you’re not getting the results you want look at you food and program first, play with these things for a couple of months, try something else and see what happens
 

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My diet is based on a lot of carbs and protein and less fat.
I don't count my macros, but i try to take at least 100g protein per day.
Thank you guys for your feedback by the way
 

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Protein should at least be double. Carbohydrates probably around 500.
 

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I tried full body, but then I cannot focus on minor muscles, only compound
With your current stats you don't need to focus on minor muscles. Doing a shit ton of curls, tricep extensions or machine flies won't make you big.
Spend your time efficiently and do a simple full body at least 3 times per week, get your nutrition in check and you will see gains.
Steroids are not to compensate for you fucking around with nutrition or training. You clearly lack knowledge on that part already.
My squats are 90 degrees, no more no less
So your squats are too high, u need to go deeper.
 

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My diet is based on a lot of carbs and protein and less fat.
I don't count my macros, but i try to take at least 100g protein per day.
Thank you guys for your feedback by the way
It's clear that your diet is causing you to not gain any muscle, you're not even counting your macros and calories. Even with steroids you need the correct amount of food for your body.

Start with that before even thinking about steroids because you will be dissappointed.
 

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"There are no shortcuts. The fact that a shortcut is important to you means that you are a pu**y."
 

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So my latest training regime (before the coronavirus situation) was strength - hypertrophy
3x per week ():
- Back - triceps (pull-push)
- Chest - Bisceps (pull-push)
- Legs - shoulders

week 1:
pulldowns 4x8
rows 4x8
deadlift 4x6
cable face pull 4x8
triceps extensions 4x8
skullcrashers 4x8
Abs leg rises 3x10
bench press 4x6
weighted dips 4x6
Machine flys 4x8
inclined bench dumbells 4x8
Barbell curls 4x8
Dumbell curls 4x8
Abs machine
Leg press 4x8
leg extensions/flexions 4x8
Squats 4x6
calves rises 4x8
reverse flys 4x8
Overhead press 4x6
front rises 4x8
internal/external rotations 3x10
week 2:
pullups 4x8
barbell rows 4x8
romanian deadlift 4x6
cable face pull 4x8
triceps extensions 4x8
french press 4x8
Planks
dumbell bench press 4x8
inclined bench press 4x6
dumbel flys 4x8
closed pushups 4x8
Barbell curls 4x8
Dumbell curls 4x8
Abs leg rises 3x10
Barbel lunges 4x8
Squats 4x6
leg extensions/flexions 4x8
calves 4x8
shoulder press 4x6
cable front rises 4x8
clean 4x6

My squats are 90 degrees, no more no less
Deadlifts are touch and go.
Due to past injuries, my bench press is not so good anymore 80kgx6
overhead press also not so good 40x6

Sorry man but your bench en overhead press is very week.. you should consider more training days split and more food! Your protein intake is low. I would say more training days, heavy* weights, less volume and definitely more food. It s too early for you to take gear.
 

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