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Zo snel mogelijk zodat ik weer kan spammen op dbb op mensen die goeie vragen stellen
 
Positieve beweging explosief en negatief iets langzamer en gecontroleerder.
 
Voor spier opbouw is het nog wel eens effectief om te proberen je spier 40 tot 60 sec onder spanning te houding. Dit geld voornamelijk voor isolatie-oefeningen. In dat geval moet je wel 2 seconde positief, 1 a 2 seconden vasthouden en dan 2 seconden terug.

Inderdaad, explosief positief, gecontroleerd negatief.

Ligt er ook weer wat wat je train, waarvoor je train en hoe je train.
 
tosjohan zei:
Voor spier opbouw is het nog wel eens effectief om te proberen je spier 40 tot 60 sec onder spanning te houding.
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40 tot 60 sec?
Interessant.
Heb je hier toevallig een artikel of onderbouwing van?
 
Ok.
Zoals jij het beschreef, leek het alsof je je spieren tijdens 1 rep 40 tot 60 sec onder spanning moet houden.

'Wanneer je voor hypertrofie traint is je Time Under Tension helemaal bepalend, gezien hypertrofie pas plaats vind vanaf 40 seconden. '

Wel interessant, krachtblog. Nl. :)
 
Rain zei:
Zoals jij het beschreef, leek het alsof je je spieren tijdens 1 rep 40 tot 60 sec onder spanning moet houden.
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Hooo. Klopt. Mijn fout.

Toch zie of hoor ik er weinig over. Het lijkt wel een één of andere achterhaalde methode. Terwijl het zeker effectief is Ik zie bijna alleen maar mensen rossen met die dumbbells of dat ze binnen 15 min klaar moeten zijn met de hele training.

Hetzelfde verhaal voor rustperiodes tussen je sets.
 
tosjohan zei:
Voor spier opbouw is het nog wel eens effectief om te proberen je spier 40 tot 60 sec onder spanning te houding. Dit geld voornamelijk voor isolatie-oefeningen. In dat geval moet je wel 2 seconde positief, 1 a 2 seconden vasthouden en dan 2 seconden terug.

Inderdaad, explosief positief, gecontroleerd negatief.

Ligt er ook weer wat wat je train, waarvoor je train en hoe je train.
Klik om te vergroten...

Why Time Under Tension is Overrated for Building Muscle (And What Matters More)
Why Time Under Tension is Overrated for Building Muscle (And What Matters More)

By Michael Matthews






According to some, more “time under tension” means more muscle growth. It’s not that simple.

“Your muscles don’t know weight,” many bodybuilders say, almost waxing philosophic, “they only know tension, and that’s what stimulates growth.”

Well, in case you’re not familiar with this line of thinking, it’s been around the bodybuilding world for decades and what it refers to is the amount of time your muscles are working during a given set. If you perform one set of 8 reps and it takes 45 seconds, the time under tension is…you guessed it…45 seconds.

For a while this was just another theory. It didn’t go mainstream until a couple of flawed studies like this popped up with abstracts that made it sound like time under tension might play a vital role in muscle growth.

Suddenly, fitness gurus everywhere were sharing the “breakthrough” that the amount of weight you’re lifting is less important than the amount of time you keep your muscles under tension, and thus the “time under tension” school of thought was born.

Entire training methodologies were quick to follow that involved manipulating tempo to meet training goals and guys everywhere started incorporating “super-slow training” to reap the (apparent) benefits of increasing time under tension instead of weight lifted.

Well, like the many “weird little tricks” of the fitness space–you know, the ones that are supposed to increase your bench press or melt off belly fat–time under tension is not important enough to warrant special attention and is simply a byproduct of proper training that can, more or less, be ignored.

Let’s find out why.


The Time Under Tension Trade-Off

What weight did you squat last week? How many reps did you get? What do you think would immediately happen to those numbers if you doubled your time under tension by slowing your reps down to half your current speed?

That’s right–the amount of reps that you could do with that weight would plummet. Depending on how slow you went, you might get half your normal reps or even less. And herein lies the big problem with emphasizing time under tension over load…

You see, the primary driver of muscle growth is progressive overload, and this means lifting heavier and heavier weights over time. If you want to build a big, strong physique, your number one goal in all of your weightlifting should be adding weight to the bar over time.

This is especially true for intermediate and advanced weightlifters who can no longer rely on their “newbie gains” to make progress.

Now, when you reduce the amount of reps you perform, you also reduce the total work performed by the muscle; and when you reduce the amount of work performed by a muscle, you reduce the muscle- and strength-building potential of the exercise.

The question, then, is if the “trade-off” of time under tension for total work is worth it. Does increasing time under tension “make up for” the reduction in work performed and result in more strength progression and muscle growth?

The research says no. For example…

This study conducted by scientists at the University of Sydney found that subjects following traditional “fast” training on the Bench Press gained more strength than slow training.
This study conducted by researchers at the University of Connecticut found that very-slow training resulted in lower levels of peak force and power when compared with a normal, self-regulated tempo.
This study conducted by scientists at the University of Wisconsin found that even in untrained individuals a traditional training tempo resulted in greater strength in the Squat and greater peak power in the countermovement jump.
This study conducted by researchers at the University of Oklahoma found that 4 weeks of traditional resistance training was more effective for increasing strength than super-slow training.


These findings aren’t exactly surprising given the underlying mechanics of muscle growth and how intertwined it is with building strength (if you want bigger muscles, you’re going to have to get stronger).

It all comes back to progressive overload and work performed, and super-slow training just loses that battle. To quote researchers from Ithica College, who compared fast-tempo bench pressing to slow-tempo (my emphasis added):
“One-way repeated measures analysis of variance showed tempos with a fast eccentric phase (1 second), and no bottom rest produced significantly greater (p ≤ 0.05) PO [power output] and repetitions than tempos involving slower eccentric velocity (4 seconds) or greater bottom rest (4 seconds).
“This combination of greater repetitions and PO resulted in a greater volume of work. Varying interrepetition rest (1 or 4 seconds) did not significantly affect PO or repetitions.
“The results of this study support the use of fast eccentric speed and no bottom rest during acute performance testing to maximize PO and number of repetitions during a set of bench press.”

It’s also worth noting that back when I didn’t know what I was doing, I used to do a lot of slow sets to maximize time under tension and my results were in line with the research: I found it no more effective than my regular training routines, which were pretty crappy in reality.
Train Correctly and You Can Ignore Time Under Tension

The three variables that are going to impact your weightlifting results the most are frequency, intensity (the amount of weight you’re lifting), and volume (the amount of reps you’re performing in a given period of time).

If you get these things right:

If you train frequently enough to maximize growth without sacrificing recovery;
If you emphasize heavy weightlifting (80 to 90% of your 1RM, and bonus points for stick to compound movements);
And if you perform an optimal number of reps per workout and per week…


…you’re going to make outstanding gains in the gym, regardless of whatever happens with your time under tension.

bron: Why Time Under Tension is Overrated for Building Muscle (And What Matters More) | Muscle For Life
I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
- Dave Tate
 
Rain Kan je het kort samenvatten? (ben te lui om alles te lezen)
 
:haha:

Ik vind het fijn om de negatieve beweging langzaam uit te voeren, lekker spanning zetten op de spier.

Je moet gewoon voor jezelf uitvogelen wat jij lekker vindt trainen en waar jij zelf baat bij hebt. Iedereen doet het op een andere manier, en er is niet 1 de "echte juiste" te benoemen.
 
Rain zei:
Why Time Under Tension is Overrated for Building Muscle (And What Matters More)
Why Time Under Tension is Overrated for Building Muscle (And What Matters More)

By Michael Matthews






According to some, more “time under tension” means more muscle growth. It’s not that simple.

“Your muscles don’t know weight,” many bodybuilders say, almost waxing philosophic, “they only know tension, and that’s what stimulates growth.”

Well, in case you’re not familiar with this line of thinking, it’s been around the bodybuilding world for decades and what it refers to is the amount of time your muscles are working during a given set. If you perform one set of 8 reps and it takes 45 seconds, the time under tension is…you guessed it…45 seconds.

For a while this was just another theory. It didn’t go mainstream until a couple of flawed studies like this popped up with abstracts that made it sound like time under tension might play a vital role in muscle growth.

Suddenly, fitness gurus everywhere were sharing the “breakthrough” that the amount of weight you’re lifting is less important than the amount of time you keep your muscles under tension, and thus the “time under tension” school of thought was born.

Entire training methodologies were quick to follow that involved manipulating tempo to meet training goals and guys everywhere started incorporating “super-slow training” to reap the (apparent) benefits of increasing time under tension instead of weight lifted.

Well, like the many “weird little tricks” of the fitness space–you know, the ones that are supposed to increase your bench press or melt off belly fat–time under tension is not important enough to warrant special attention and is simply a byproduct of proper training that can, more or less, be ignored.

Let’s find out why.


The Time Under Tension Trade-Off

What weight did you squat last week? How many reps did you get? What do you think would immediately happen to those numbers if you doubled your time under tension by slowing your reps down to half your current speed?

That’s right–the amount of reps that you could do with that weight would plummet. Depending on how slow you went, you might get half your normal reps or even less. And herein lies the big problem with emphasizing time under tension over load…

You see, the primary driver of muscle growth is progressive overload, and this means lifting heavier and heavier weights over time. If you want to build a big, strong physique, your number one goal in all of your weightlifting should be adding weight to the bar over time.

This is especially true for intermediate and advanced weightlifters who can no longer rely on their “newbie gains” to make progress.

Now, when you reduce the amount of reps you perform, you also reduce the total work performed by the muscle; and when you reduce the amount of work performed by a muscle, you reduce the muscle- and strength-building potential of the exercise.

The question, then, is if the “trade-off” of time under tension for total work is worth it. Does increasing time under tension “make up for” the reduction in work performed and result in more strength progression and muscle growth?

The research says no. For example…

This study conducted by scientists at the University of Sydney found that subjects following traditional “fast” training on the Bench Press gained more strength than slow training.
This study conducted by researchers at the University of Connecticut found that very-slow training resulted in lower levels of peak force and power when compared with a normal, self-regulated tempo.
This study conducted by scientists at the University of Wisconsin found that even in untrained individuals a traditional training tempo resulted in greater strength in the Squat and greater peak power in the countermovement jump.
This study conducted by researchers at the University of Oklahoma found that 4 weeks of traditional resistance training was more effective for increasing strength than super-slow training.


These findings aren’t exactly surprising given the underlying mechanics of muscle growth and how intertwined it is with building strength (if you want bigger muscles, you’re going to have to get stronger).

It all comes back to progressive overload and work performed, and super-slow training just loses that battle. To quote researchers from Ithica College, who compared fast-tempo bench pressing to slow-tempo (my emphasis added):
“One-way repeated measures analysis of variance showed tempos with a fast eccentric phase (1 second), and no bottom rest produced significantly greater (p ≤ 0.05) PO [power output] and repetitions than tempos involving slower eccentric velocity (4 seconds) or greater bottom rest (4 seconds).
“This combination of greater repetitions and PO resulted in a greater volume of work. Varying interrepetition rest (1 or 4 seconds) did not significantly affect PO or repetitions.
“The results of this study support the use of fast eccentric speed and no bottom rest during acute performance testing to maximize PO and number of repetitions during a set of bench press.”

It’s also worth noting that back when I didn’t know what I was doing, I used to do a lot of slow sets to maximize time under tension and my results were in line with the research: I found it no more effective than my regular training routines, which were pretty crappy in reality.
Train Correctly and You Can Ignore Time Under Tension

The three variables that are going to impact your weightlifting results the most are frequency, intensity (the amount of weight you’re lifting), and volume (the amount of reps you’re performing in a given period of time).

If you get these things right:

If you train frequently enough to maximize growth without sacrificing recovery;
If you emphasize heavy weightlifting (80 to 90% of your 1RM, and bonus points for stick to compound movements);
And if you perform an optimal number of reps per workout and per week…


…you’re going to make outstanding gains in the gym, regardless of whatever happens with your time under tension.

bron: Why Time Under Tension is Overrated for Building Muscle (And What Matters More) | Muscle For Life
I know from teaching hundreds of seminars that the guys who say they have “awesome technique” are usually the biggest disasters—their ego just doesn’t let them see it.
- Dave Tate
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Skatermarvin
 
HillR zei:
:haha:

Ik vind het fijn om de negatieve beweging langzaam uit te voeren, lekker spanning zetten op de spier.

Je moet gewoon voor jezelf uitvogelen wat jij lekker vindt trainen en waar jij zelf baat bij hebt. Iedereen doet het op een andere manier, en er is niet 1 de "echte juiste" te benoemen.
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Dit dus.

Aangezien ik als een van de weinigen hier tevreden ben met hoe ik er nu uit zie :) , houdt effectief trainen voor mij vooral in dat ik de trainingen leuk vind.
Dat er een trainingsvorm of methode is die in theorie beter is voor hypertrofie, zal dan best wel.

Daarom heb ik jarenlang een bro split schema gevolgd: dat vond ik veel leuker dan -bewezen-betere schema's als ub/lb of fullbody.
 
LeonM zei:
Skatermarvin
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Zie onderstaande quotes..
HillR zei:
:haha:

Ik vind het fijn om de negatieve beweging langzaam uit te voeren, lekker spanning zetten op de spier.

Je moet gewoon voor jezelf uitvogelen wat jij lekker vindt trainen en waar jij zelf baat bij hebt. Iedereen doet het op een andere manier, en er is niet 1 de "echte juiste" te benoemen.
Klik om te vergroten...

Rain zei:
Dit dus.

Aangezien ik als een van de weinigen hier tevreden ben met hoe ik er nu uit zie :) , houdt effectief trainen voor mij vooral in dat ik de trainingen leuk vind.
Dat er een trainingsvorm of methode is die in theorie beter is voor hypertrofie, zal dan best wel.

Daarom heb ik jarenlang een bro split schema gevolgd: dat vond ik veel leuker dan -bewezen-betere schema's als ub/lb of fullbody.
Klik om te vergroten...
 
OT: Ik gebruik bijna met alles een lange TUT..
 
Internet stats joh, niemand die mij kan controleren. :)

Maar zeker geen 7 /8 % vet hoor.
Eerder 17%… of hoger.
Ik voel me er prima bij.
Bij een lager vetpercentage krijg ik een skeletor face en helaas niet de jukbeenderen van Ruben Baars. :(
 
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