Kuurschema's van de pro's

[TellySavalaS]

is vragen naar het geheim van de smit natuurlijk, maar iemand een idee,linkje oid?

 

[jumperke1tje]

Zijn er hier al zoveel gepost.

Maar wie zal het zeggen?

Niemand weet het zeker... Behalve zij zelf natuurlijk. (plannen ze dit eigenlijk zelf of hebben ze hier ook begeleiders voor?)

 

[TellySavalaS]

geen idee, maar het boeit me wel

 

[Interwise]

pre contest gebruiken ze contest prep mensen( er is gespeculeerd dat deze ook AAS supplyen, maar dat is een andere zaak)
verder, heb wel is gezien, der gaat iig aardig wat aan

 

[boforli]

hier zijn al genoeg topics over geweest ,zoek maar s op,op google of hier op dbb :"ronnie coleman cycle"
"andreas munzer cycle"
"arnold cycle"
"lee priest cycle"

 

[wazzup]

Ik heb het vermoeden dat pro's vooral heel erg goed op AS reageren en daarop wel eens minder kunnen gebruiken dan veel wannabee's die dat talent niet hebben. (iets met receptoren).

 

[stallone power]

Er is maar 1 echte kuurschema op internet en dat was die van Tom Prince(ook andreas munzer onlangs voorbij gekomen) ter voorbereiding van Night of Champions 2002,de rest is bs imo.
Stond in AAS sectie door de TP himself op bb.com, is nu gesloten omdat ze verboden stof oid vonden in supps
door de fda(of hoe noemen ze)

Ik had het eens bij aas gepost.

 

[b t s]

Ik heb het vermoeden dat pro's vooral heel erg goed op AS reageren en daarop wel eens minder kunnen gebruiken dan veel wannabee's die dat talent niet hebben. (iets met receptoren).

lijkt me ook een beetje bs, als ze voor 20.000$ per jaar er doorheen jagen (wat tenminste een bedrag is wat ik ergens gelezen heb) dan gebruiken ze in een jaar toch wel een hoop. of nie

 

[stallone power]

lijkt me ook een beetje bs, als ze voor 20.000$ per jaar er doorheen jagen (wat tenminste een bedrag is wat ik ergens gelezen heb) dan gebruiken ze in een jaar toch wel een hoop. of nie

Spijtig dat as sectie van bb.com gesloten is.
Je kon Tom Prince alles vragen over hgh/as/slin/....
hij had gezegt dat hij maar 10000$ per jaar investeerde in as/hgh/..
En dat hij tot 1997 geen hgh gebruikte,omdat het peperduur was
Hij verdiende geld aan seminars,guestposing,shows,sponsors,reclame...
Zijn kuurschema was helemaal niet absurd gewoon the basics.
Meer kon ik niet meer herinneren

 

[wazzup]

Spijtig dat as sectie van bb.com gesloten is.
Je kon Tom Prince alles vragen over hgh/as/slin/....
hij had gezegt dat hij maar 10000$ per jaar investeerde in as/hgh/..
En dat hij tot 1997 geen hgh gebruikte,omdat het peperduur was
Hij verdiende geld aan seminars,guestposing,shows,sponsors,reclame...
Zijn kuurschema was helemaal niet absurd gewoon the basics.
Meer kon ik niet meer herinneren

Maar los van het totale bedrag...

Aan hoeveel gram testosteron per week moet ik dan denken ?

 

[aleyezonme]

Maar los van het totale bedrag...

Aan hoeveel gram testosteron per week moet ik dan denken ?

moet je aan sis vragen, hij krijgt zijn schema's van de pro's denk ik

 

[boforli]

ik zal ze toch nog maar s bovenhalen,van ronnie zijn er verschillende
ronnie"My best friend works at Metroflex and he told me the other day he was talking to Brian Dobson and were talking about drug use in the pro and amatuer level. Anyway, my friend asked B.D. if he knew what kind of cycles the pros were doing and he told him the outline of Ronnies cycles. To be honest I was kinda shocked at how little he took cuz I was expecting it to be a crazy amount of gear similar to Dorians cycle that was posted. Anyway this is what B.D. told my friend Ronnie takes.

1500mg test/week
400mg deca/week
6 iu gh/day
20iu slin/post workout

He says he stay on all year and three to four months out from a contest he takes

50mg winstrol/day
20mg halotestin/day
75mcg T3/day

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dorian yates:week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 2 ----3000mg test cyp---200mg dbol/a day
week 3-----4000mg test cyp---300mg dbol/day
week 4 -----5000mg test cyp---no dbol
week 5------3000mg test susp---200mg anadrol
week 6------4000mg test susp---300mg anadrol
week 7-------4000mg test susp---400mg anadrol
week 9-------10,000 iu hcg--800mg clomid
week10-------20,000iu hcg--1000mg clomid
week 11------4000mg test prop---100mg halotestin
week 12------4000mg test prop----200mg hal0
weel 13-------5000mg test prop----300mg halo
week 14-------3000mg test sus-----300mg halo----1000mg masterone
week 15-------4000mg test sus-----400mg halo----1000mg masterone
weekl 16-------10,000iu hcg---1000mg clomid
week 17--------20,000iu hcg---2000mg clomid
week 18--------30 ,000iu hcg---3000mg clomid
week 20---------2500mg test susp---1000mg of fina---
weel 21----------3500mg test susp--1500mg of fina
week 22----------4500mg test susp--20oomg of fina
week 23 ----------5000mg test susp---2500mg of fina
week 24 ----------1500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 25-----------2500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 26 -----------3500 mg test prop----300mg anadrol---1000mg masterone/day
week 27------------1500mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200mg winng/day
week 29------------1500 mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200 mg winny/day
week 30 ------------1500mg test susp------100mg anadrol---300mg

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nog van "good'ol" ronnie :hgh all year round 3 injections a week
anadrol every cycle he loves this stuff aperrantly
test cyp every cycle
deca every cycle
winny every cycle
tren some times
slin all year round 1 injections everyday after training
i dont think he likes dbol too much, but my friend didnt ask why
test prop every cycle, he loves this stuff aparrently

now i was told he does a cycle 1-20 weeks on aas and ups slin and hgh after every cycle not during

my friend took this advice and within 2 months of a 18 weekcycle he gained 3 stone and kept 2 and a half of wicth was muscle.


so believe you me slin f###ing works well with aas

but we all learn he reckons ronnie said he took somethink to the same mg for mg as dorrian yates.

personally i believe jay is the most natural mass monster out of all the top five.

ronnie like doing short 6 weeks cycles with crazy dosagas of anadrol winnie tren prop n high dosages of slin

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arnold: http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Arnold Schwarzenegger cycle.html

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andreas munzer:Weeks 10 to 6: Daily intake

Testoviron ( Methyltestosterone) 2 injections (500mg)
Parabolan 1 injection (100mg)
Halotestin (Fluxymesterone) 30 tablets (150mg)
Dianabol 30 tablets (150mg)
Human Growth Hormone 20IU
Insulin 20IU

Weeks 5 to 3: Daily intake

Masteron (Methyltestosterone) 3 injections (750mg)
Parabolan 2 injections (200mg)
Halotestin (Fluxymesterone) 30 tablets (150mg)
Stromba (stanozolol) 50 tablets (250mg)
Stromba (stanozolol) 2 injections (200mg
Insulin 24IU
Human Growth Hormone 24IU

Weeks 2 and 1: Daily

Masteron (Methyltestosterone) 2 injections (500mg)
Stromba (stanozolol) 2 injections (200mg)
Halotestin (Fluxymesterone) 40 tablets (200mg)
Stromba (stanozolol) 80 tablets (400mg)
Human Growth Hormone 24IU
Insulin 24IU



Keep in mind that this is his DAILY intake!!! Most amateur bodybuilders don't take in a year what Munzer took in a week! In fact Munzer's "supplementation" bill was approximately 6200$ per month, or approximately 80 000$ a year! And keep in mind that Munzer had trouble even getting in the top ten of a pro contest (he was 13th in the IFBB at the time of his death). There is a lot to bet that the top dogs used more drugs than he did. Also realize that this was in 1995-1996, more drugs have been developed since then. I would venture as far as to say that the top 10 IFBB pros have a drug bill of more than 100 000$ a year! We are far from that little cycle of sustanon that you want to try... to say the least!

Most often then not, a pro bodybuilder will design his drug stack so that it includes a certain numbers of:

1- Substances that will increase his muscle mass by being anabolic

2- Substances that will increase his muscle mass by being anti-catabolic

3- Substances that will lower his body fat

4- Substances that will increase his training aggressiveness

5- Substances that will harden his muscles

6- Substances that will increase his vascularity



Of course certain substances can have more than one role. For example, Human Growth Hormone can increase his muscle mass and lower his body fat at the same time. Fluxymesterone will increase his muscle mass, harden his muscles and increase his training aggressiveness at the same time, etc.



A very basic pro-stack could look a little like this:

Substance
Role for the bodybuilder

Testosterone or derivative Anabolism
Insulin Anti-catabolism
Human Growth Hormone Anabolism/Anti-catabolism/Fat loss
Clenbuterol Fat loss/some anabolism and anti-cat.
Fluxymesterone Anabolism/aggress./ harden
EPO Increase blood thickness: vascularity
IGF-1 Anabolism/Anti-catabolism



To that the bodybuilder will often add the use of various amphetamines like Delcobese, Obetrol or Benzedrine or other stimulants like Bromantin, Ephedrine, methamphetamines (Desoxyn) and even some "hard" drugs like cocaine or nubain. These drugs increase alertness, willingness to train and reduce fatigue.

When a contest approaches, pro bodybuilders will also use diuretics to get rid of all subcutaneous water that can blur muscle definition.

A recent trend in the bodybuilding world is to use local injections to increase the size of a single muscle. A popular product used by bodybuilders is called Synthol. This product is nothing more than an oil (fat) that is injected in the muscle itself, thus increasing it's size. The procedure reportedly hurt like hell but bodybuilders report local increases of up to 2-4 inches (arms and calves) and feel that it's worth it (?!?).

A common method used by bodybuilders is to:

1- Inject 1ml into the muscle everyday for the first ten days

2- Inject 2ml into the muscle everyday for days 11-20

3- Inject 3ml into the muscle everyday for days 21-30

4- Inject 1ml into the muscle everyday for 30 days

5- Inject 1ml into the muscle twice a week for 4 weeks

6- Inject 1ml into the muscle once a week for 4 weeks

Bodybuilders often report local size gains of 2-4 inches. This technique may seem very interesting to a newbie looking for easy arms size. But be aware that:


This technique is extremely painful
Synthol is expensive (400$ a bottle)
Every single injection carries the risk of infection or worse if you inject in a vein (this could get extremely dangerous for your life)
The gain is not muscle gain but intramuscular fat gain

Bodybuilders will also use "legal" techniques to get ready for a competition. They use normally safe techniques, like a sauna, and turn them into life threatening booby traps by abusing them. Ever tried spending 1-2 hours in a sauna when you are already deprived of any body water, have blood as thick as ketchup and cardiac irregularities caused by stimulants and amphetamines abuse? No? Go ask Mike Matarazzo who almost died because of such practice if it's safe or fun!

Once again, there is a moral to that story: to become a top bodybuilder you must be willing to pay the price, both economically and physically.

I do not think that bodybuilders are crazy, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary! No, I do believe that the muscle magazines are crazy for using these walking science experiments to sell supplements to young, unsuspecting kids. I believe that the peoples who set the standard of freakiness in bodybuilding are to blame. Go ask any pro bodybuilders if they'd rather be 280lbs and sick as hell or 235lbs and in good health, most will answer that they'd rather get the "smaller" body, but that they can't because they would have no chances of winning a big contest or get any sponsors.

Just for the fun of it, here are the muscle measurements of two great "old-time" bodybuilders and winners of the Mr. America contest in the 1940-50s, John Grimek and Steve Reeves. Both of these men were once considered to be the limit of what a man could reach muscle-wise. These measurements date back to their Mr. America victories (1940 and 1941 for Grimek and 1947 for Reeves).

 

[aleyezonme]

zieke doseringen

 

[boforli]

nog 1 van ronnie coleman


http://bb.suple.net/sterydy/a/13868/ronnie_coleman/2

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lee priest :


So what are you taking for contest preperation?

Clenbuterol, Stanozolol every second day and Nolvadex. And that's it. It is the same thing I used back in 1997, and you can verify that with Flex Wheeler. Flex at that time was asking me how did I get in shape and I told him that this is all that I used, and it worked. I have got ready for other shows with other things, I've used growth before, but when I used it, I didn't notice a big difference. I think it is a waste of time, as I am not better when I used it as to when I didn't use it. Like I said, you can use drugs, and get prescription steroids, and use too many, and one is going to contradict another. It's better to just do the basics. I remember Cathy came to the bathroom one day, and I showed her what I was using, and she said 'I know women that use more than you do'.

You don't use any Deca?

I sometimes use some of that in the off season. When I am going to try something for six weeks, I may use that, mainly for my joints. If I am training really heavy, my joints gets sore. But in the offseason, sometimes like six or seven months, I don't even touch anything. I don't rely on them, and never have relied on them. Ok, it might give me a boost around contest time to help keep some muscle mass on and burn fat, but I take very little. Currently, just those three. But I am doing cardio two hours a day, I am training twice a day, I getting lots of protein, what else do I need. And I don't have the mentality like others that if I am not on drugs, I can't go heavy, I can't push myself, I can't train. I've never been that may. I feel much better when I am off them, I hate frickin needles, so I don't need to take it as little as possible. If they wanted to start drug testing fully, I couldn't care less. I could do it without them.
I've got that Underground Steroid handbook. I look at pictures in the back of the fakes and the real ones. Quite a few people will come up to me and ask me 'Hey Lee, what do you think of this drug'. And I tell them that I never heard of it. And they say 'Oh come on, yes you have, you're a professional bodybuilder'. These different drugs just do not interest me.

I don't use test either. Why should I like it? I've always had a high level of testosterone, and it suppressed my natural level so I got weaker, so I never used. But people say to me 'Everybody uses test.' No, I don't like it, are you telling me what I like and what I use now? Everybody is an expert here. Sometimes I go just to read the bulletin boards to see what I am doing lately, as people know more about me than I know.

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dave pulumbo : Dave Palumbo 16 week cycle

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week 1 test cyp 800mg, eq 300mg, gh 2-4iu
week 2 test cyp 800mg, eq 300mg, gh 2-4iu
week 3 test cyp 1000mg, eq 350mg, gh 2-4iu
week 4 test cyp 1000mg, eq 350mg, gh 2-4iu
week 5 test cyp 1200mg, eq 400mg, gh 2-4iu
week 6 test cyp 1200mg, eq 400mg, gh 2-4iu
week 7 test cyp 1000mg, eq 350mg, gh 2-4iu
week 8 test cyp 1000mg, eq 300mg
week 9 sus 750mg, tren 150mg
week 10 sus 750mg, tren 150mg, gh 2-4iu
week 11 sus 1000mg, tren 200mg, gh 2-4iu
week 12 sus 1000mg, tren 200mg, gh 2-4iu
week 13 sus 1250mg, tren 225mg, gh 2-4iu
week 14 sus 1250mg, tren 225mg, gh 2-4iu
week 15 sus 1000mg, tren 250mg, gh 2-4iu
week 16 sus 1000mg, tren 250mg, gh 2-4iu

arimidex 1mg EOD weeks 1-16

 

[stallone power]

Maar los van het totale bedrag...

Aan hoeveel gram testosteron per week moet ik dan denken ?

It's been over 6 years since I last stepped on stage. I remember promising a ton of peeps that one day I would post this. So, here it is, folks. My 2001 Night of Champions Cycle. Just for fun.. Tom




Week #1: 4 iu's GH/day; 4 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 1 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day

Week #2: 4 iu's GH/day; 5 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 1 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day

Week #3: 4 iu's GH/day; 5 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 200 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 2 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab

Week #4: 4 iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 2 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab

Week #5: 6iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 3 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab

Week #6: 6 iu's GH/day; 6 x Sostenon 250 mg.; 400 mg. Deca Durabolin; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; (pre a.m. workout) 3 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 200 mg. caffeine tab

Week #7: off; 5000 iu HCG/day; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 clenbuterol/day (2 days on 1 day off); 300 mg. caffeine x 6 days/week (a.m. only)

Week #8: off; 2 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 clenbuterol/day (2 days on 1 day off); 300 mg. caffeine x 6 days/week (a.m. only)

Week #9: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #10: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 4 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)

Week #11: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 5 x Clenbuterol tabs, 300 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #12: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 150 mg. Winstrol-V (50 mg. each M-W-F); 4 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 5 x Clenbuterol tabs, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #13: 6 iu's GH/day; 1200 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 300 mg. Winstrol-V (100 mg. each M-W-F); 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 5 x 25 mg. Ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #14: 6 iu's GH/day; 1500 mg. Test Cypionate; 600 mg. Deca Durabolin; 300 mg. Winstrol-V (100 mg. each M-W-F); 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 6 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


Week #15: off 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 6 x 25 mg. ephedrine tab, 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


**Week #16: off; 6 x 50 mg. Teslac tabs/day; 2 x 20 mg. Nolvadex tabs/day; 10 x Clenbuterol tab (Sun, Mon, Tue only), 400 mg. caffeine tab (a.m. only)


**Day of contest was at the end of 16th Week.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=112874301



aub

 

[boforli]

flex wheeler : Flex Wheeler used to talk about how he just took whatever poeple gave him

 

[Big-T]

is vragen naar het geheim van de smit natuurlijk, maar iemand een idee,linkje oid?

Laat je niets wijsmaken. Er wordt altijd gedaan alsof pro's totaal anders kuren dan amateurs maar tegenwoordig is dat al lang niet meer zo. Soms zijn het de amateurs die zwaarder kuren dan de pro's... Die gekke schema's moet je al helemaal niet te serieus nemen. 1) ze kunnen door iedereen zijn gemaakt en op het internet geflikkerd zijn 2) het is helemaal niet omdat je hoger doseert dat je daarom meer groeit. Op een bepaald moment nemen alleen de bijwerkingen nog toe.

Sommige pro's gebruiken volgens bronnen ook verrassend lage doseringen...

En dacht je nu echt dat in de tijd van Arnold er al schema's met tig aantal AAS en andere nieuwe middelen gebruikt werden? Het aantal d-bols dat zij namen is volgens bronnen minder dan wat er tegenwoordig geslikt wordt door sommige amateurs.

Het is gewoon een combinatie van genen + kuren + tijd en moeite.

 

[Mickey86]

Die van Palumbo en Ronnie zien er nog menselijk uit, die andere cycles zijn gewoon geschift

 

[boforli]

there's an IFBB pro saying he spends $60,000 a year on gear

 

[Big-T]

Hoge bedragen hebben veel te maken met de GH en ook middelen die niet zo makkelijk te krijgen zijn. Ook heb ik de indruk dat alles veel duurder is in de VS op vlak van AAS.