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Dat kan wel kloppen, maar je zult heel wat meer spieren aanmaken als je boven je onderhoud gaat zitten.
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Dat kan wel kloppen, maar je zult heel wat meer spieren aanmaken als je boven je onderhoud gaat zitten.
tWack
is dit niet boerenlogica:
als je meer nodig hebt/verwerkt dat je meer moet eten...
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Ik wil alleen aangeven dat als je AS gebruikt om spiergroei te stimuleren dat het dan het effectiefst is om meer te eten dan onderhoud, omdat je anders niet ten volste gebruik maakt van de spierbouwende effecten hiervan. Maar dit zou best weleens boerenlogica kunnen zijn hoor
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Muscular strength, body composition and health responses to the use of testosterone enanthate: a double blind study.Giorgi A, Weatherby RP, Murphy PW.
School of Exercise Science and Sports Management, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW, Australia.
To determine the effect the steroid, testosterone enanthate (TE) had on upper body strength, body composition and health. Twenty one male weight training subjects were randomly assigned in a double blind method to either a 3.5 mg(-1) x kg(-1) TE (n=11) or placebo (n=10) weight training group. The subjects were monitored during a 12 week administration phase and a subsequent 12 week follow up phase. Subjects were tested on a number of strength and size measurements, whilst having their health monitored. The results from the study revealed that the testosterone/weight training group improved significantly (p<0.05) more than the placebo/weight training group during and immediately after the administration phase on a 1 repetition maximum bench press. With regards to body composition, body weight, arm girth and rectus femoris circumference all increased significantly greater in the TE group compared to the placebo. Furthermore, the abdomen skinfold showed significant decreases in the TE group compared to the placebo group at post testing, follow up mid testing and the follow up post testing occasions. With the exception of the abdomen skinfold no within or between group differences were evident following a cycling off period of 12 weeks. Changes to baseline health indicators were reported in some subjects following testosterone usage. This included an average elevation in systolic blood pressure in all TE subjects by 10 mm Hg, a mild increase in hereditary frontal alopecia, increased muscle tightness (hamstrings and pectorals), a mild increase in libido over the first two weeks with a subsequent fall to normal, mild acne, subjective changes to personality including an increase in aggression, irritability and positive mood responses. Consequently, moderate doses of TE combined with weight training can result in short term significant changes in upper body strength and body composition, with corresponding changes to baseline health in some individuals.
PMID: 10710012 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
School of Exercise Science and Sports Management, Southern Cross University, Lismore, NSW, Australia.
To determine the effect the steroid, testosterone enanthate (TE) had on upper body strength, body composition and health. Twenty one male weight training subjects were randomly assigned in a double blind method to either a 3.5 mg(-1) x kg(-1) TE (n=11) or placebo (n=10) weight training group. The subjects were monitored during a 12 week administration phase and a subsequent 12 week follow up phase. Subjects were tested on a number of strength and size measurements, whilst having their health monitored. The results from the study revealed that the testosterone/weight training group improved significantly (p<0.05) more than the placebo/weight training group during and immediately after the administration phase on a 1 repetition maximum bench press. With regards to body composition, body weight, arm girth and rectus femoris circumference all increased significantly greater in the TE group compared to the placebo. Furthermore, the abdomen skinfold showed significant decreases in the TE group compared to the placebo group at post testing, follow up mid testing and the follow up post testing occasions. With the exception of the abdomen skinfold no within or between group differences were evident following a cycling off period of 12 weeks. Changes to baseline health indicators were reported in some subjects following testosterone usage. This included an average elevation in systolic blood pressure in all TE subjects by 10 mm Hg, a mild increase in hereditary frontal alopecia, increased muscle tightness (hamstrings and pectorals), a mild increase in libido over the first two weeks with a subsequent fall to normal, mild acne, subjective changes to personality including an increase in aggression, irritability and positive mood responses. Consequently, moderate doses of TE combined with weight training can result in short term significant changes in upper body strength and body composition, with corresponding changes to baseline health in some individuals.
PMID: 10710012 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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The effects of supraphysiologic doses of testosterone on muscle size and strength in normal men.Bhasin S, Storer TW, Berman N, Callegari C, Clevenger B, Phillips J, Bunnell TJ, Tricker R, Shirazi A, Casaburi R.
Department of Medicine, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, CA 90059, USA.
BACKGROUND: Athletes often take androgenic steroids in an attempt to increase their strength. The efficacy of these substances for this purpose is unsubstantiated, however. METHODS: We randomly assigned 43 normal men to one of four groups: placebo with no exercise; testosterone with no exercise; placebo plus exercise; and testosterone plus exercise. The men received injections of 600 mg of testosterone enanthate or placebo weekly for 10 weeks. The men in the exercise groups performed standardized weight-lifting exercises three times weekly. Before and after the treatment period, fat-free mass was determined by underwater weighing, muscle size was measured by magnetic resonance imaging, and the strength of the arms and legs was assessed by bench-press and squatting exercises, respectively. RESULTS: Among the men in the no-exercise groups, those given testosterone had greater increases than those given placebo in muscle size in their arms (mean [+/-SE] change in triceps area, 424 +/- 104 vs. -81 +/- 109 square millimeters; P < 0.05) and legs (change in quadriceps area, 607 +/- 123 vs. -131 +/- 111 square millimeters; P < 0.05) and greater increases in strength in the bench-press (9 +/- 4 vs. -1 +/- 1 kg, P < 0.05) and squatting exercises (16 +/- 4 vs. 3 +/- 1 kg, P < 0.05). The men assigned to testosterone and exercise had greater increases in fat-free mass (6.1 +/- 0.6 kg) and muscle size (triceps area, 501 +/- 104 square millimeters; quadriceps area, 1174 +/- 91 square millimeters) than those assigned to either no-exercise group, and greater increases in muscle strength (bench-press strength, 22 +/- 2 kg; squatting-exercise capacity, 38 +/- 4 kg) than either no-exercise group. Neither mood nor behavior was altered in any group. CONCLUSIONS: Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men.
Department of Medicine, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, CA 90059, USA.
BACKGROUND: Athletes often take androgenic steroids in an attempt to increase their strength. The efficacy of these substances for this purpose is unsubstantiated, however. METHODS: We randomly assigned 43 normal men to one of four groups: placebo with no exercise; testosterone with no exercise; placebo plus exercise; and testosterone plus exercise. The men received injections of 600 mg of testosterone enanthate or placebo weekly for 10 weeks. The men in the exercise groups performed standardized weight-lifting exercises three times weekly. Before and after the treatment period, fat-free mass was determined by underwater weighing, muscle size was measured by magnetic resonance imaging, and the strength of the arms and legs was assessed by bench-press and squatting exercises, respectively. RESULTS: Among the men in the no-exercise groups, those given testosterone had greater increases than those given placebo in muscle size in their arms (mean [+/-SE] change in triceps area, 424 +/- 104 vs. -81 +/- 109 square millimeters; P < 0.05) and legs (change in quadriceps area, 607 +/- 123 vs. -131 +/- 111 square millimeters; P < 0.05) and greater increases in strength in the bench-press (9 +/- 4 vs. -1 +/- 1 kg, P < 0.05) and squatting exercises (16 +/- 4 vs. 3 +/- 1 kg, P < 0.05). The men assigned to testosterone and exercise had greater increases in fat-free mass (6.1 +/- 0.6 kg) and muscle size (triceps area, 501 +/- 104 square millimeters; quadriceps area, 1174 +/- 91 square millimeters) than those assigned to either no-exercise group, and greater increases in muscle strength (bench-press strength, 22 +/- 2 kg; squatting-exercise capacity, 38 +/- 4 kg) than either no-exercise group. Neither mood nor behavior was altered in any group. CONCLUSIONS: Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men.
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Theoretisch zal het vast wel mogelijk zijn om spieren te bouwen zonder vet aan te zetten, maar dat zou betekenen dat precies de hoeveelheid calorieen die je boven maintenance gaat zitten gebruikt zouden moeten worden voor bouw van spieren, alles daarboven gaat dan naar vet, en alles daaronder zorgt ervoor dat de anabolen a.h.w. verspild worden.
Als je toch al je lichaam volstopt met anabolen, dan zou ik voor maximaal resultaat gaan, bulken dus. Dat vet raak je toch wel weer kwijt met wat moeite.
Als je vocht tijdens je kuur wilt vermijden zul je een andere steroide moeten gaan zoeken.
Als je als doel hebt niet meer dan 2 kuurtjes te gaan doen dan zou ik voor 2 bulk kuurtjes gaan, dus nu flink bulken, en dan een hele tijd(jaartje?) niet kuren en kijken hoe het je bevallen is, en dan nadenken over wat en hoe je tweede kuur eruit zal moeten gaan zien..
tWack
Anabolen in iemands lichaam gaan nooit echt "verspild". Ze doen altijd hun werk aan de receptor, met of zonder kcal-overschot /extreme bulk
Eiwitten zullen uiteraard (as usual) voldoende aanwezig moeten zijn, 2g / kg VVM lijkt me genoeg..
Je kan wel degelijk in een eerste kuur 3kg VVM aanzetten, zonder te hervallen in de vette bloated "+20kg bulk" en daarna de "-17kg cut".
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Topic is van augustus... Denk dat hij er inmiddels wel uit zal zijn wat hij wilt.
Nog ff @seagal, 3 kg vvm gainen en in bodyfat% zakken... Deed mij eigenlijk direct aan winny denken.
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Wat ik in de tijd die ik train heb ''geleerd'' is dat extreem bulken echt compleet klote is. Je moet proberen dat aantal kcal te zoeken waarmee je zoveel mogelijk massa en zo weinig mogelijk vet aanzet. Voor mij ligt dat rond de 4500kcal, uiteraard allemaal schone voeding zoals +600gr rijst en 1kg kipfilet. Ook vind ik dat een bb'er er het hele jaar door goed uit moet zien...bij mij hoort daar geen vet% van 15% of zelfs meer bij.
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Idd,helemaal mee eens,bij mij is dat zelfs nog lager,rond de 2000 kcal.
Dit verschild ENORM van persoon tot persoon
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Zo das wel erg weinig Kriel...300gr eiwit is al 1200kcal. Doe daar nog eens 50gr vet en 100gr koolhydraten bij en je zit er al op. Dat is voor mij nog niet eens genoeg om echt enorm droog te worden. Verschilt dus idd echt heel erg ja.
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Idd. Om alleen maar al te kijken naar de jobintensiteit en het metabolisme van de persoon...
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Couldn't agree more..
Plus van al die extreme bulkdieten wordt je niet enkel vet, ook nog eens loom (wat trainings-intensiteit ook in de weg kan gaan staan).
