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Ik ben begonnen met orals winny en tren
Nu heb ik misschien wel een leuke discussie of iig een leuk vraagstuk.

heeft iemand verder ervaringen met de oral tren (GP methyl trienolone), en/of heeft iemand ervaringen opgedaan met dit te stacken?

de winny,
hoe nemen jullie de winny in?
Ik houd nu rekening met de halfwaarde tijd van 9uren, daarom doseer ik op 3x per dag, dus heb ik 24uur pd effect, plus het stapel effect.
Doet iemand dat verder op die manier of slikt iedereen gewoon 5 tabs (5x10mg) in 1 keer en klaar?
Hoe hoog is de hoogste effectieve waarde van winny eigenlijk? Ik neem aan dat je een keer verzadigd raakt en alles wat je dan meer inneemt overbodig is.

Mijn dosering van de oraltren is momenteel 2x daags 250mcg. Wat is de halfwaarde tijd van die tren? Ik weet nu niet of het effectief genoeg is.
 
ben nu ook wel benieuwd, zijn een hoop vragen, wacht op kriel haha
 
ben nu ook wel benieuwd, zijn een hoop vragen, wacht op kriel haha

Yep Kriel weet het wel of Tremendes. (en nog een aantal anderen, maar die namen weet ik verder allemaal niet, sorry)
 
Kerel is wel een super zware kuur voor je lever,winny is al niet zacht voor de lever en dan gooi je er nog eens MT bovenop!!!!
Neem men winstrol steeds in 1keer smorgens,verzadiging weetk niet maar Dareal heeft wel al op 100mg/dag gezeten en ging wel stevig.
MT heb ik geen ervaring mee
 
Stel je voor 2 mg op een capmaat van laten we zeggen 0.
Daar gaat 550 mg in( ff dwarsstraat) maar das meest verkochte type.

Volges mij kan je never zonder V tumbler MT poeder homogeen krijgen. Op iiedere gram MT moet 25 gram filler. Voor tabs precies hetzelfde. Dat kan simpelweg niet homogeen zijn.

Verder vind ik een 17aa niet te combineren met MT
 
Hoi kriel, ik begrijp je reply, maar dat is in lijn met m'n vorige topic.
Ik heb de poedertjes wel al binnen trouwens maar die winny ga ik tegen die tijd wel gedoseerd oplossen in vloeistof en drinken. Net als de oxy die ik had besteld. Ik vind het geen doen met caps. Gooi het wel in een beetje BA.
De test gewoon als injectable.
Het is overigens toch de 10gram winny, 10 gram oxy en 25 gram test-base geworden.
Hoeveel verlies heb je trouwens bij winny na oxy? of is er dan echt alleen vochtverlies? Wellicht beter lange pauze nemen tussen die 2, tegen die tijd over maaaaaanden.

Maar mbt topic in deze.
Ik ben al aan de winny van GP en mt tren van GP, van die kleine zakjes van 100tabs, de kleine gele driehoekjes. Dus kant en klaar. 200tabs winny en 100 tabs oraltren.

Het gaat me nu even om de uitwerking van doseren, ik doe 3x daags slikken ipv 1x alles, om de hele dag relatief hogere waarde te houden.
Zit ik daarmee goed of helemaal niet. Ik doe dat omdat die halfwaarde 9 uur is. en 9 uur daarna dus nog maar een kwart en als de volgende dosering is nog maar 1/8e deel. Ik denk dat ik met 3x daags de waardes hoger houd en dus ook beter stapel per dag.

En wat weet jij verder over die oral tren van GP? Halfwaarde tijd en de synergetische waarde/vermeerdering in stack met winny? k kan er nergens iets over vinden
 
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Kerel is wel een super zware kuur voor je lever,winny is al niet zacht voor de lever en dan gooi je er nog eens MT bovenop!!!!
Neem men winstrol steeds in 1keer smorgens,verzadiging weetk niet maar Dareal heeft wel al op 100mg/dag gezeten en ging wel stevig.
MT heb ik geen ervaring mee

Ja winny is zwaar voor je lever, klopt. Lange pauze en goed voor je lever zorgen er na, liver tabs e.d. nemen. Veel broodjes met lever(smeerworst).

100mg per dag, dan is de stapeling met de volgende dosering ca 125mg als waarde? Dan moet je wel aardig effect krijgen idd.

Maar hoe hoog zit je met verzadiging.
 
De enige MT die ik ken is opgelost in ethyl oleaat,en is dus homogeen. GT ken ik verderniet kerel.
 
Okee thanks Kriel.

Ik zoek nog wel verder, als ik wat kan vinden plaats ik het wel even.
 
tot nu toe gevonden:
Metribolone, (also known as methyltrienolone or R1881) is a potent, non-aromatizable androgen which has also been used as a photoaffinity label for the androgen receptor. It is the 17-methylated derivative of trenbolone, and is a similarly potent anabolic steroid, but with high potential for hepatotoxicity.
 
Ja wat denk je zelf? orals zijn zoiezo f*cking toxic shit voor je ingewanden
 
Pharmaceutical Name: Methyltrienolone
Chemical structure: 17-methylestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one,17b-ol
Molecular weight of base: 284.3974


Effective dose: 5-15 mg / day(100% WRONG!! WAY TOO MUCH!) - Bassgod EDIT
Average Street-price: Only available for research purposes.
Available Doses: None

Brands & Products: Originally produced by Negma, but never approved for production.

Characteristics:

Methyltrienolone is structurally similar to trenbolone (Parabolan/Finaplix), a well-liked and powerful androgen that does not aromatize to estrogen. The difference is the attachment of a 17-alpha-methyl group for oral activity. So one could refer to methyltrienolone as oral trenbolone. It was first explored quite some time ago by Negma in France, the same company that marketed Parabolan (trenbolone). But the drug was never approved by the French government and was hence never produced. The reason was extreme hepatoxicity. Bill Roberts, the biochemist, once commented that taking methyltrienolone made taking insane doses of anadrol and Halotestin together look mild on the liver. While I was unable to find anything in the literature that describes the extent of the liver toxicity, it's a generally accepted fact. That's also why, to the dissapointment of many, you will never find a commercially marketed methyltrienolone product. Its only sold in bulk to labs and universities for research studies involving androgens.

Mainly because (and those who wish it was available will wish so even more now) its such a potent androgen. There is some conflicting information in that regard however. Organic chemist Patrick Arnold, head of LPJ research, once stated that methyltrienolone was the most powerful steroid ever, and that statement has been blown out of proportion and taken on a life of its own. While androgenically a very potent steroid, methyltrienolone is still basically trenbolone with a 17-alpha-methyl group. A group that has the tendency to actually reduce the androgenic potency. So it may actually be somewhat milder than trenbolone, on the contrary to what many pseudo steroid guru's are now claiming after reading Pat Arnold's statement. I can't find any other documented effects of the 17-alpha-alkylation influencing androgen binding in a positive way. It's a potent androgen, with more binding than even DHT2, but the study that claims that is mild at the very best about quantifications, whereas people have used the term 1000 times more powerful than testosterone, which is surely exaggerated.

What is interesting is that it seems to show nearly no binding for coïtus-hormone binding proteins, which makes it a popular choice in androgen receptor studies3, since it will demonstrate equal binding in all tissues regardless of the presence and amount of these proteins. No doubt this plays a role in its supposed binding capacity. In this instance the 17-alpha-alkylation may have played a key role, since it has been demonstrated a multitude of times that 17-alpha-methyl groups decrease the binding for coïtus-hormone binding proteins as well as most other structures, and due to its triple double bond, trenbolone really didn't bind well to these to begin with.

One of the findings made in clinical tests with methyltrienolone was the discovery of high amounts of the DHT-deactivating enzyme 3alpha-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase in muscle tissue4. Once again proof that God meant to keep us humans weak. Hurray for science. Follow-up studies then went on to show that DHT nonetheless showed similar binding in the prostate, and showing little or no presence of the deactivating enzyme. So God would rather have us all die of prostate cancer than gain a few ounces of muscle. It's a comforting thought, no?

What methyltrienolone, despite its amazing capacity, still doesn't overcome are the basic problems with any 19Nor compound. First of all its effects on libido. Methyltrienolone still seems to affect our coïtus drive in such a potent manner that the dreaded Deca Dick (temporary impotence) is a very real threat5. Another is that it still binds almost equipotently to the progesterone receptor3. The latter would be of little concern as long as no circulating estrogen is present since methyltrienolone does not aromatize, but could cause problems such as aggravating water retention and gyno (growth of breast tissue in men) if combined with an aromatizing androgen or an estrogen.

While many may wish that an incredibly strong androgenic, non-aromatizing compound as this was available for daily use, its not. And if the indications are true, its probably best. I've warned many people for the toxicity of fluoxymesterone, and everything points to it that methyltrienolone makes fluoxymesterone look like Tums tablets in terms of liver toxicity.

Stacking and Use:

Obviously this section is mostly useless, as any who would use, let alone stack methyltrienolone for any decent period of time, wouldn't really be around long enough to tell us how well it worked. Ideally one would use it alone, while dieting or for the purpose of gaining lean mass. The androgenic potency is slightly higher than that of trenbolone, so the risk for aggravated hair loss, acne, prostate hypertrophy and deepening of voice is not only realistic, but almost likely. If one were to use it, you would probably have to use every trick in the book to protect your liver and stay alive: Alpha Lipoic Acid, Milk thistle, dessicated liver and Vitamin B6. The blood pressure raise would not be mild either. So something to lower blood pressure is advised as well.

Of course the best advice is to refrain from using such a compound, although for 99% of the population that is not a problem, and I would assume that the 1% that does have access would know better.

References

2 Bonne C, Raynaud JP. Methyltrienolone, a specific ligand for cellular androgen receptors. Steroids 1975 Aug;26(2):227-32

3 Dube JY, Tremblay RR, Chapdelaine P. Binding of methyltrienolone to various androgen-dependent and androgen-responsive tissues in four animal species. Horm Res 1976;7(6):333-40

4 Tremblay RR, Dube JY, Ho-Kim MA, Lesage R. Determination of rat muscles androgen-receptor complexes with methyltrienolone. Steroids 1977 Feb;29(2):185-95

5 Baum MJ, Kingsbury PA, Erskine MS. Failure of the synthetic androgen 17 beta-hydroxy-17 alpha-methyl-estra-4,9,11-triene-3-one (methyltrienolone, R1881) to duplicate the activational effect of testosterone on mating in castrated male rats. J Endocrinol 1987 Apr;113(1):15-20
 
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