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Protein Intake: Why 1g/lb is a Myth
Protein.
It’s every bodybuilder’s favorite macronutrient and for good reason.
Protein is extremely essential, super satiating and amazingly anabolic. Protein is awesome… but you’re consuming too much of it.
Like most myths, the belief that you should take in 1g/lb of bodyweight has become so deeply entrenched in the fitness world that its validity is rarely questioned. Strangely, most people don’t challenge the coincidence that the optimal amount of protein your body can assimilate in a day is exactly 1g/lb of bodyweight.

Doesn’t sound as right, does it? Of course, I know you read my articles for their scientific merit, so let’s look at the literature on the effects of daily protein intake to find out if 1g/lb really is the ideal amount of protein intake for maximum muscle gain.

Studies on Optimal Protein Intake
All values in the bullet point list below are expressed as grams of protein per pound of bodyweight per day.

All of these studies controlled for energy intake, either based on individual requirements or by setting energy intake to be equal in all experimental conditions, so only the proportion of protein in the diet varied between groups. If the studies were based on unreliable methods such as nitrogen balance (a marker of lean body mass changes), I only included them if they controlled for sweating and dietary adaptation periods.

• Tarnopolsky et al. (1992) observed no difference in whole body protein synthesis or indices of lean body mass in strength athletes consuming either 0.64g/lb or 1.10g/lb over a two week period. Protein oxidation did increase in the high protein group, indicating a nutrient overload.

• Walberg et al. (1988) found that 0.73g/lb was sufficient to maintain positive nitrogen balance in cutting weightlifters over a seven day period.

• Tarnopolsky et al. (1988) found that only 0.37g/lb was required to maintain positive nitrogen balance in elite bodybuilders (over five years of experience, possible previous use of androgens) over a ten day period. 0.45g/lb was sufficient to maintain lean body mass in bodybuilders over a two week period. The authors suggested that 0.55g/lb was sufficient for bodybuilders.

• Lemon et al. (1992) found no difference in muscle mass or strength gains in novice bodybuilders consuming either 0.61g/lb or 1.19g/lb over a four week period. Based on nitrogen balance data, the authors recommended 0.75g/lb.

• Hoffman et al. (2006) found no differences in body composition, strength or resting hormonal concentrations in strength athletes consuming either 0.77g/lb or >0.91g/lb over a three month period.

Now, there are some old studies based on nitrogen balance that suggest higher protein intakes are beneficial, but, as I stated above, these studies were methodological disasters. Nitrogen balance is a notoriously unreliable method to assess changes in lean body mass, especially at higher amounts, and these studies didn’t control for sweating or dietary adaptation, which would have made them slightly more reliable. Significant changes in dietary protein intake are known to result in negative nitrogen balance for up to two weeks after the change, even when sufficient energy and protein is consumed. Furthermore, these studies didn’t exclude androgenic-anabolic steroid users even though they studied competitive athletes. (Tarnopolsky et al., 1988). It’s no wonder many of these studies didn’t get translated and remain no more than a shady abstract on PubMed, if they’re even featured on there.

protein intake shake
You may not need to be slamming as many protein shakes as you think.
Based on the sound research, many review papers have concluded 0.82g/lb is the upper limit at which protein intake benefits body composition (Phillips & Van Loon, 2011). This recommendation often includes a double 95% confidence level, meaning they took the highest mean intake at which benefits were still observed and then added two standard deviations to that level to make absolutely sure all possible benefits from additional protein intake are utilized. As such, this is already overdoing it and consuming 1g/lb just ‘to be safe’ doesn’t make any sense. 0.82g/lb is already very safe.

The picture below summarizes the literature. As you can see, 1.8g/kg (0.82g/lb) is the point at which additional protein intake ceases to yield any benefits.

Muscle Protein Synthetic Rate

But, But, But…!
If you still think you need more than 0.82g/lb because you think you train harder than these test subjects, think again.

Lemon et al. (1992) studied bodybuilders training 90 minutes per day, six days per week and still concluded 0.75g/lb is the highest intake at which body composition benefits could occur.

Another frequently heard objection is that some people need more protein because they are more experienced than the studied populations. Well, Tarnopolsky et al. (1988) used elite bodybuilders and found that less protein was needed than in novice bodybuilders. In fact, the finding that the more experienced you are, the less protein you need, has been replicated in several studies (Rennie & Tipton, 2000; Hartman, Moore & Phillips, 2006; Moore et al., 2007). In everyone, there is both constant protein synthesis and breakdown. Resistance training causes both breakdown and synthesis to increase, normally with a favorable balance towards synthesis. As you progress in your training, the body becomes more efficient at stopping the breakdown of protein resulting from training. Since less protein now needs to be replenished, this increase in nitrogen retention means less protein is subsequently needed for optimal growth.

protein intake bodybuilders
The bigger you are, the less protein you need.
In addition, the more advanced you are, the less protein synthesis increases after training. As you become more muscular and you approach your genetic limit, less muscle is built after training. This is very intuitive. The slower you can build muscle, the less protein is needed for optimal growth. It wouldn’t make any sense if the body needed more protein to build less muscle, especially considering the body becomes more efficient at metabolizing protein.

The last commonly heard argument says these values may be true during bulking or maintenance periods, but cutting requires more protein to maintain muscle mass. Walberg et al. (1988) studied cutting weightlifters and they still found 0.73g/lb sufficient to maintain lean body mass.

An even more telling study was done by Pikosky et al. in 2008. The researchers took a group of endurance trained subjects and had them consume either 0.41 or 0.82 g/lb of protein per day. They also added a thousand calories worth of training on top of their regular exercise. So these guys were literally running on a 1000 calorie deficit while drastically increasing their training volume. Talk about a catabolic state. Of course, the nitrogen balance in the low-protein group plummeted. However, the protein intake of 0.82 g/lb in the other group completely protected the subjects from muscle loss. Nitrogen balance, whole-body protein turnover and protein synthesis remained unchanged.

Also, the alleged difference between the nitrogen sparing effects of carbs and fat are negligible (McCargar et al. 1989; Millward, 1989). Neither technically spares protein, though. Only protein spares protein. I think the protein sparing idea came from a wrong interpretation of the nitrogen balance literature showing more lean mass is lost with more severe caloric deficits. A simple explanation for that finding is that the more total mass you lose, the more lean mass you lose. No surprises there.

As such, there is simply no empirically substantiated reason to think we need more than 0.82g/lb of protein per day when cutting. If anything, you could reason the body should be able to use more protein during bulking periods, because more muscle is being built and a lot of other nutrients are ingested that may enable an increased use of protein.

Protein Intake: Why 1g/lb is a Myth
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Androgen or growth hormone users definitely fall into this category, but I don’t exclude the possibility that some adolescents do too. If you reach peak testosterone production while still growing (in height), your unusually high levels of growth hormone and testosterone might increase your protein requirements. Or not. There’s no research to support it. Those rare individuals with amazing bodybuilding genetics could also qualify, but unless your father happens to be a silverback gorilla, you are probably just like everyone else in this regard.

The 1g/lb Myth’s Origin
So, why does everybody say you need to consume 1g/lb?

Aside from the ideas that people believe in myths without any good reason all the time, that myths tend to perpetuate themselves via conformism and tradition, and that the fitness industry is flooded with myths, here are some plausible grounds for the apparent confusion.

• People copy the dietary practices of pro bodybuilders on androgens. Steroids enable you to assimilate far more protein than you normally could.

• People base their recommendations on the flawed nitrogen balance studies back from when the world was still flat.

• The “more is better” train of thought. There are so many studies showing protein is good for you, it’s easy to think more is even better.

• Supplement companies have an obvious financial incentive to make you want to believe you need more protein than you really do. There are actually several industry-sponsored studies showing absolutely miraculous benefits of consuming more protein (see the studies by Cribb, for example).

• People can’t be bothered with decimals and just round up to the nearest convenient integer, which so happens to be an easy to remember number one.

protein intake scoop
Supplement companies have an obvious financial incentive to make you want to believe you need more protein than you really do.
On a final note, there’s nothing inherently wrong or unhealthy about consuming more protein than your body can use to build muscle. The excess will simply be used as energy. However, protein sources tend to be expensive compared to other energy sources, and variety generally beats uniformity with regards to your health; therefore, satiety and food preferences are the only reasons I can think of as to why somebody would want to over consume protein.

Take Home Messages
There is normally no advantage to consuming more than 0.82g/lb (1.8g/kg) of protein per day to preserve or build muscle.

This already includes a very safe markup. because there hasn’t been any recorded advantage of consuming more than 0.64g/lb. The only exceptions to this rule might be individuals with extraordinarily high anabolic hormone levels.

Optimal protein intake decreases with training age. This happens because your body becomes more efficient at preventing protein breakdown during training and less protein is needed for the increasingly smaller amount of muscle built after each training session. The magnitude of this effect is unclear.

This article in 6 words: Consume 0.82g/lb of protein every day.

This article in 6 words: Consume 0.82g/lb of protein every day.
 
Boeiend. Gewoon eten en trainen. Die paar grammetjes proteine meer of minder maakt echt geen reet uit.

Minder denken en meer doen.
 
Ow haha wat ik zei sloeg nergens op XD

Maar met eiwit liever on the safe side. Liever 10 gram teveel dat 1 te weinig imo.
Maar die 4per kg bw die soms voorbij komt beetje bullshit indd
 
Boeiend. Gewoon eten en trainen. Die paar grammetjes proteine meer of minder maakt echt geen reet uit.

Minder denken en meer doen.

plaatste hem ook meer om gewoon een discussie uit te lokken :P zelf zit ik ook aan de 2,5 gr per kg

vind wel interessant hoe andere er dan over denken enzo.
 
plaatste hem ook meer om gewoon een discussie uit te lokken :P zelf zit ik ook aan de 2,5 gr per kg

vind wel interessant hoe andere er dan over denken enzo.

Laatst wel x artikeltje onder ogen gehad met de claim dat teveel eiwit ook kan, alsin negatieve effecten heeft tov iets minder. Zal wel ff zoeken
 
Ow haha wat ik zei sloeg nergens op XD Maar met eiwit liever on the safe side. Liever 10 gram teveel dat 1 te weinig imo. Maar die 4per kg bw die soms voorbij komt beetje bullshit indd

Eens, alhoewel het wel wat uitmaakt of iemand ON is of niet.
 
plaatste hem ook meer om gewoon een discussie uit te lokken :P zelf zit ik ook aan de 2,5 gr per kg

vind wel interessant hoe andere er dan over denken enzo.

Ik let er niet eens meer op. Ik weet dat ik, met mijn eetpatroon, minimaal op 200gr per dag zit. Sommige dagen 250...sommige dagen 300...

Eén keer rekende ik het uit en zonder dat ik het doorhad had ik die dag rond de 390gr eiwit op. Dit is natuurlijk duidelijk overkill.

Eigenlijk let ik meer op carbs dan op m'n eiwitten. Als in: ik krijg te weinig carbs binnen.
 
Eens, alhoewel het wel wat uitmaakt of iemand ON is of niet.

on zou je juist met minder eiwit moeten kunnen doen toch? 'Eiwitsparend' enzo
 
Dat is één manier om het te bekijken.

Andere manier om het te bekijken:
Als je on bent kan je lijf meer voeding verwerken dus ga je juist méér eten (heeft z'n grenzen). Gebruik maken van de verhoogde eiwitsynthese.
 
Daarom ben ik lange tijd geleden al gestopt met macro's tracken als een bezetene om elke dag maar weer op de goede verhoudingen uit te komen. Ik track liever gewoon kcals in vs kcals out en in gedachten houden dat ik gewoon voldoende gevarieerd eet. Ik eet overal vlees of eieren etc. bij (brood, avondmaaltijd, etc.) en 's avonds 'n bak kwark kom ik toch wel aan m'n eiwitten, merk totaal geen verschil in progressie of ik nou een week lang 60/30/10 eet of 40/40/20 of noem 't maar op. Zolang ik gewoon alles gevarieerd binnen krijg is 't enige wat echt telt totaal aantal kcal inname.

Scheelt zo enorm veel in die panische levensstijl om telkens maar exact op je macro's uit te komen of gewoon "met gezond verstand" goed in de richtlijn te blijven werken en letten op je totale kcal inname. Kan nu ook gewoon veel makkelijker eten waar ik zin in heb, waardoor ik indirect me beter voel en ook lekkerder train en waarschijnlijk indirect daardoor ook alleen maar meer progressie maak dan wanneer ik m'n macro's als een bezetene bij aan het houden ben.
 
Evidence-based recommendations for natural bodybuilding contest preparation: nutrition and supplementation
Eric R Helms, Alan A Aragon and Peter J Fitschen

http://www.jissn.com/content/11/1/20

This paper reviewed the scientific literature relevant to competition preparation on nutrition and supplementation, resulting in the following recommendations. Caloric intake should be set at a level that results in bodyweight losses of approximately 0.5 to 1%/wk to maximize muscle retention. Within this caloric intake, most but not all bodybuilders will respond best to consuming 2.3-3.1 g/kg of lean body mass per day of protein, 15-30% of calories from fat, and the reminder of calories from carbohydrate.
 
Daarom ben ik lange tijd geleden al gestopt met macro's tracken als een bezetene om elke dag maar weer op de goede verhoudingen uit te komen. Ik track liever gewoon kcals in vs kcals out en in gedachten houden dat ik gewoon voldoende gevarieerd eet. Ik eet overal vlees of eieren etc. bij (brood, avondmaaltijd, etc.) en 's avonds 'n bak kwark kom ik toch wel aan m'n eiwitten, merk totaal geen verschil in progressie of ik nou een week lang 60/30/10 eet of 40/40/20 of noem 't maar op. Zolang ik gewoon alles gevarieerd binnen krijg is 't enige wat echt telt totaal aantal kcal inname.

Scheelt zo enorm veel in die panische levensstijl om telkens maar exact op je macro's uit te komen of gewoon "met gezond verstand" goed in de richtlijn te blijven werken en letten op je totale kcal inname. Kan nu ook gewoon veel makkelijker eten waar ik zin in heb, waardoor ik indirect me beter voel en ook lekkerder train en waarschijnlijk indirect daardoor ook alleen maar meer progressie maak dan wanneer ik m'n macro's als een bezetene bij aan het houden ben.

Kan me wel iets voorstellen bij je verhaal maar helaas zijn macro verhoudingen belangrijker dan de meesten denken. ik hou me er zelf wel strikt aan
 
Kan me wel iets voorstellen bij je verhaal maar helaas zijn macro verhoudingen belangrijker dan de meesten denken. ik hou me er zelf wel strikt aan

Ik geef je ook wel gelijk dat ze vast wel degelijk een impact zullen hebben, maar voor mij is de geestelijke impact van het iets vrijer kunnen eten wat je wilt (met rationeel verstand en proberen in de buurt van de juiste macro's te blijven zonder 't als een bezetene te tracken) en trainingen/motivatie zo langer vol houden groter dan de fysieke impact van alles perfect binnen krijgen, naar mijn ervaring
 
dat tracken hoeft toch ook niet als een bezetene toch.. ? track zelf mijn voeding dagelijks met myfitnesspal, kost me hooguit 10min om alles er in te zetten. meestal doe ik dat de avond van te voren even. enkel op de dag zelf nog wat kleine aanpassinkjes gezien je niet alles vooraf 100% correct kunt verwerken (voeding afwegen enz)

over dat vrij kunnen eten geef k je gelijk. heeft voor mij ook enorm geholpen, overgestapt van dagelijks hetzelfde + 1 cheatmeal/week naar IIFYM. heerlijk, qua voeding zo vrij als een vogel.

maar track wel me macro's. dat gaat prima samen. zit wat hoger in vet op rustdagen waardoor er ook ruimte is voor eens hamburgers, kebab, eieren met van alles en nog wat erop, pizza bijv. mocht de behoefte er zijn. op trainingsdagen genoeg ruimte voor een dikke carb PWO meal. wil je dan eens gek doen kun je bijv. kiezen voor stokbrood, turks brood met zoetwaar, kandijkoek of andere lekkere bakkersshizzle. Of natuurlijk gewoon classic een berg rijst/pasta met groenten en vlees.

je hoeft nooit te cheaten met IIFYM, alles is prima in te passen. (cheaten vind ik wanneer je meer dan 500 kcal ofzo boven je calorie target komt) Waarom is een pizza, döner, chocola of ijs cheaten wanneer het in je voeding past. enkel zou ik die wat minder gezonde voedingsbronnen zoveel mogelijk uitsluiten, niet op daily base ofzo.. ook aan de micro's denken :D
 
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