Originally posted by seeker
dboll en winstrol ook al is het heel erg slecht voor je lever zowieso niet samen nemen want winstrol werkt erg negatief op dboll, het verminderd elkaars werking. al geloof je me niet hier is de site www.mesomorphosis.com , erg nuttige info trouwens, kijken bij drug profiles
Ik weet niet waar je deze wijsheid vandaan hebt, maar via de drug profiles kun je dit echt niet onderbouwen.
Originally posted by seeker
by Bill Roberts - Like methandrostenolone (Dianabol), oxymetholone does not bind well to the androgen receptor (AR), and most of the anabolism it provides is via non-AR-mediated effects. It is therefore a Class II steroid and is best stacked with a Class I steroid. The drug appears to give the same benefits as Dianabol. Unlike Dianabol, however, it seems that oxymetholone is progestagenic. It has been observed to cause nipple soreness or to aggravate gynecomastia even in the presence of high dose antiestrogens, strongly suggesting that the effect is not estrogenic. That effect can be reduced by concurrent use of stanozolol (Winstrol), which is anti-progestagenic. This progestagenic effect of oxymetholone is only a concern when using aromatizing steroids. With androgens such as Primobolan, oxymetholone stacks very nicely and is a surprisingly friendly drug. In contrast, with testosterone it is a very harsh drug.
Hier leg je precies uit waarom winstrol/dboll/anavar wel een goede combi is. Er staat ook de reden in waarom ik dboll en anavar niet gelijktijdig ingepland heb. Doordat dboll aromatiseert versterk je het progestagene effect van anavar.
Ik weet niet of de echte "kenners" het met mij eens zijn? Maar dit klopt volgens mij redelijk. Big Cat heeft ooit een kuur gepubliceerd die er erg op lijkt:
All Oral Cycle
Week Dianabol Winstrol Anavar HCG & Nolva
1 30-40 mg/day
2 30-40 mg/day
3 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day
4 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 5000 IU/week
5 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 5000 IU/week
6 30-40 mg/day 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day 5000 IU/week
7 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day 5000 IU/week
8 25-50 mg every day 30-40 mg/day
9 40 mg/day
10 20 mg/day
11 20 mg/day
I'm a member at several online steroid boards and you always hear the vets say: "Don't use only orals, your gains won't last". Here's a newsflash: the roids you take orally are no different from the ones you inject. Naturally I need to add here that you will get better gains with injectables. The half-life is longer, they can be used longer because they aren't so toxic, they can be used in higher doses and the effects stay for a while after a cycle (which could account for the belief that gains on orals disappear). But I'd like to know where the belief that an oral only stack can't offer good gains originated? A lot of bodybuilders in the 60's and 70's were basically living off dianabol. The key to keeping gains on any stack is facilitating the return of natural test after a stack and keeping calories high in your diet no matter what.
The problem of an oral only stack is that its limited in time. 6-8 weeks at best. Meaning multiple stacks are needed where less stacks would be needed with injectables. An oral only stack is hard to set up because you have no real base compounds either. This is one I sweated out after much thinking for all you wimps that can't take a needle. Because anavar and winny block the aromatisation off d-bol, there isn't much post-cycle estrogen so the use of clomid/Nolva afterwards is limited but still advised. It should be started immediately after the cycle is over. With lon-acting injectables one can usually wait 1.5 to 2 weeks after last shot to start post-cycle therapy and then still there is a certain level of androgens in the body. With the orals, most of the androgen will be cleared in 1-2 days tops. So Clomid/Nolva therapy needs to start immediately. Here it is illustrated with 40 and 20 mg of Nolva, but could easily be run with 150 and 100 mg of clomid respectively. This was a good stack to demonstrate the use of HCG (which is injectable. Oh the irony). At least one of the uses. HCG keeps the size of your nuts up even after HPTA is shut down by your roids. That facilitates post-cycle recovery. Since HCG itself can cause negative feedback it needs to be discontinued the week before you come off or it will do the opposite of what it is intended to do. NEVER run HCG longer than Nolva or clomid. One should take a long break off any type of 17-alpha-alkylated steroids after this cycle as the liver will have taken a severe beating. That's the downside of being scared of needles.
Volgens mij moet dit voldoende zijn.........