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Atheisme vs mormons

Wat voor discussie moet dit worden dan?
 
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EricR zei:
Wat voor discussie moet dit worden dan?
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bv, dat mormonen niet open staan voor het atheisme, waarom dat zo is, waarom ze dat wel moeten zijn, waarom atheisten wel open moeten staan voor de bijbel, etc?

filmpje al gekeken?
 
Ja, maar buiten dat het filmpje grappig is zie ik weinig reden tot discussie. Over geloof zijn de laatste tijd al genoeg threads geweest lijkt me.
 
Ik mis nog een groot atheisme vs religie topic :)
enkel gewijd aan deze discussie zonder paranormaal gezwets.
 
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Ahja, ik vond het redelijk discussie-waardig :) move dan maar? C&C?

edit, jeej blackadder :D miste ik dus ook wel een beetje
 
Komt Paulo33 ons straks weer vertellen dat we het mis hebben maar er niet bij vertellen waarom dat nou is. Tig wetenschappelijke argumenten en dan nog kom je geen stap verder tegen echte gelovige. Andersom natuurlijk ook, hun sprookjes maken totaal geen indruk op een atheist.
 
In the leading journal 'Nature' by Larson and Witham in 1998 a study showed only 7% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences (U.S) believed in a personal god. Of the 1,074 members of the Fellows of the Royal Society (U.K) a similar study was done showing that only 3.3% believed. Mensa (the society for individuals with high IQ) which publishes Mensa magazine, in 2002, had an article published by Paul Bell that concluded that of 43 separate studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one's IQ and/or educational level, all but four found an inverse connection. That is, the higher one's intelligence or education level the less one is likely to be religious or hold 'supernatural beliefs" of any kind.

Since Christians can't even see their own logical fallacies sometimes you can only accept that they don't have the logical capabilities to understand. This might seem harsh however consider Christian arguments that God is much more intelligent than us and we don't know how he works. I can likewise reason that atheists are much more logical than Christians and Christians are not smart enough to understand why atheists are right.

There are some Christians that are smart in fields outside of religion (e.g. Ken Miller is a good scientist), however this doesn't change the fact that the mean IQ of atheists is higher than that of Christians, and that on the topic of religion, even the "smart ones" don't use their logic skills.

Looking at the story of Job, Satan tried to turn Job against God by taking away all his material things. What he should have done was raise is IQ and force him to read scripture. Surely Job would have seen all the contradictions with good enough logic skills. Not only would Job deny God, he would have come to the conclusion that the Bible was written by morons that weren't divinely inspired at all. If those with good logic skills are wrong, then the Christian God is a deceptive God.



Summary of studies which give evidence that intelligent people are more likely to reject religion

1. Thomas Howells, 1927
Study of 461 students showed religiously conservative students "are, in general, relatively inferior in intellectual ability."

2. Hilding Carlsojn, 1933
Study of 215 students showed that "there is a tendency for the more intelligent undergraduate to be sympathetic toward… atheism."

3. Abraham Franzblau, 1934
Confirming Howells and Carlson, tested 354 Jewish children, aged 10-16. Found a negative correlation between religiosity and IQ as measured by the Terman intelligence test.

4. Thomas Symington, 1935
Tested 400 young people in colleges and church groups. He reported, "There is a constant positive relation in all the groups between liberal religious thinking and mental ability… There is also a constant positive relation between liberal scores and intelligence…"

5. Vernon Jones, 1938
Tested 381 students, concluding "a slight tendency for intelligence and liberal attitudes to go together."

6. A. R. Gilliland, 1940
At variance with all other studies, found "little or no relationship between intelligence and attitude toward god."

7. Donald Gragg, 1942
Reported an inverse correlation between 100 ACE freshman test scores and Thurstone "reality of god" scores.

8. Brown and Love, 1951
At the University of Denver, tested 613 male and female students. The mean test scores of non-believers was 119 points, and for believers it was 100. The non-believers ranked in the 80th percentile, and believers in the 50th. Their findings "strongly corroborate those of Howells."

9. Michael Argyle, 1958
Concluded that "although intelligent children grasp religious concepts earlier, they are also the first to doubt the truth of religion, and intelligent students are much less likely to accept orthodox beliefs."

10. Jeffrey Hadden, 1963
Found no correlation between intelligence and grades. This was an anomalous finding, since GPA corresponds closely with intelligence. Other factors may have influenced the results at the University of Wisconsin.

11. Young, Dustin and Holtzman, 1966
Average religiosity decreased as GPA rose.

12. James Trent, 1967
Polled 1400 college seniors. Found little difference, but high-ability students in his sample group were over-represented.

13. C. Plant and E. Minium, 1967
The more intelligent students were less religious, both before entering college and after 2 years of college.

14. Robert Wuthnow, 1978
Of 532 students, 37 percent of Christians, 58 percent of apostates, and 53 percent of non-religious scored above average on SATs.

15. Hastings and Hoge, 1967, 1974
Polled 200 college students and found no significant correlations.

16. Norman Poythress, 1975
Mean SATs for strongly anti- religious (1148), moderately anti-religious (1119), slightly anti-religious (1108), and religious (1022).

17. Wiebe and Fleck, 1980
Studied 158 male and female Canadian university students. They reported "nonreligious S's tended to be strongly intelligent" and "more intelligent than religious S's."
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intelligentie en atheisme gaan blijkbaar hand in hand :)
 
verander alvast je topictitel in atheism vs morons.
 
Zal hier ook een leuke discussie worden met gelijkgezinden.
BuilderB, musclebear, waar zitten jullie? :D
 
hahah geweldig onderzoek :D
 
Mijn favoriete filmpje over de ontmoeting tussen een atheist (Richard Dawkins) en Ted Haggard (TV Dominee) :

YouTube - Ted Haggard in "Root of All Evil?" (filmpje is een beetje uit sync)

Haggard is dus dit jaar voor de bijl gegaan voor drugs kopen en zoeken van services bij homo prostituees.

Ted Haggard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hij is uit zijn ambt gezet en heeft alles bekend. One hypocrite down, many to go. Atheism - Christianity : infinity - 0
 
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Die dawkins is goed opdreef :roflol:, met zijn nieuwe boek: the God delusion maakt hij weer komaf met alle bijgeloof.
 
Dawkins vergeleek gewoon die sessies van Dawkins met de Neurenberg bijeenkomsten onder Goebbels. Strakke actie.
 
EricR zei:
Ja, maar buiten dat het filmpje grappig is zie ik weinig reden tot discussie. Over geloof zijn de laatste tijd al genoeg threads geweest lijkt me.
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lijkt me juist niet.........als je het geile hanenhoh op een BB site toestaat, kun je ook wel een gedeelte openhouden voor het geestelijke!

:cool:
 
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