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Ik ben 47 en merk dat ik wel wat hulp kan gebruiken. Geen ervaring met anabolen. Iemand tip hoe je weet wat veilig is ?
 
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Er zijn altijd risico's verbonden aan het gebruik van anabolen. Beantwoordt dit je vraag?
 

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Toevallig poste ik dit gisteren in mijn log, zet je even neer en neem de tijd om het even te lezen.

Dear over-45 trainee

My mailbox is littered with emails posing the same series of questions over and over. While I don't have all of the answers, I have a lot. Mostly, from my own personal experience and much from working with thousands of men and women of all ages the world over for many decades.

The interesting thing is that many people, once they receive the answer (an answer they do not like) will continue asking the same question, going from source to source, until they get the answer they like.

The truth will set you free, but only if you really want the truth, and it has been my experience, in the field of health and fitness education, that people don't really want the truth; they want what they think they want to hear.

Most men (and women) suffer from unrealistic expectations about what they can or cannot achieve through physical training. This is perpetrated by the muscle-and-fitness media industry. 90% of the stuff published in so-called fitness and health/fashion magazines is complete rubbish, mainly to promote the sales of useless powders, pills, potions, and programs -- which do not work -- cannot work -- no matter how you apply yourself, if only to keep you coming back for next month's edition or iteration.

This is because the the promised results satisfy the expectations -- which are unrealistic.

It doesn't matter which program you follow: pretty much, they all come to the same place within about 4-5 years. If you've been training over 5 years, what you see now in the mirror is what you get; very few people have the genetic propensity for huge muscular gains.

While everyone can improve their strength, their health, and, to a certain degree, their muscle mass -- it is far less than you might imagine, and if you've been lifting 4-5 years, you've pretty much maximized whatever potential you have. There are some exceptions: for example, there are people who have grossly overtrained, thus preventing adequate recovery, or people following imbalanced programs who have never developed certain areas, and these people may see dramatic improvements when switching to a rational, balanced program, but, even then, these improvements will stabilize within a year or so.

Most people, even if taking steroids, are not going to see marked improvements. For sure, you are going to see some growth, but even that is going to be short-lived and comes at a cost. Contrary to the popular sales-pitch, you cannot "get over" in this game; you cannot "beat the house".

While most men do not have the genetic ability to acquire huge muscle mass and corresponding amounts of strength, the muscle magazines would have you believe that human beings have an unlimited capacity for gaining muscle mass, and size, and Herculean strength. This patent lie creates a lot of unhappiness, that is, worry, and frustration, and neurosis.

Because we have all been fed this lie, and it's simply not true, and when you come to terms with that, then you can quietly come to appreciate your own particular gifts and individuality -- and yes, assets, that were given to you -- instead of continually chasing this false dream that has been suggested to you.

One thing you do have control over is your level of body fat; most people can get reasonably lean, even if they can't get hugely muscular.

While most programs will pretty much get you to the same place, be it barbells, kettlebells, body weight, gymnastic-style training -- even machines, not all programs are equal.

First of all, with a beginner, any God-awful program will produce results. It doesn't matter -- with anything at all -- you'll get results.

And then, after that, the results come very, very slowly. And this is when people get disappointed and begin to "program-jump" -- but this is a huge mistake.

Everything works: Olympic lifting works; powerlifting works; traditional volume-style works; in-the-hood style works, gymnastics works...and it all works for a time...but switching from one program to another -- once the results start drying up -- that's a mistake.

You seemingly, on the surface, make progress on the new routine, but that is only because you are learning new movements. Because "if" after a few months you go back to your old routine, you will find that you have lost ground in all of your previous exercises. The truth of the matter is -- over your entire life -- you never need more than a dozen basic exercises, and, within this limited number of exercises, you can use different protocols.

Now, even though everything works, and will bring you
eventually to the same place, not all programs are equally safe. First of all, you have to ask yourelf, why are you training? Is your training an end unto itself -- is it your sport? Are you training to be good at exercise, or are you training to be good at some other recreational pursuit?

If you are training to be a weight lifter, powerlifter, strongman, or to perform various gymnastic stunts and feats, then, obviously, your training must be centered around these goals...but, I maintain that this form of training is not the best way to train yourself for other recreational activities and sports -- or for health and longevity.

So, one of the first questions I ask the people in my seminars is, "How many people have gotten injured in their strength training?"

It's not unusual for the majority of the audience to raise their hands. In my definition of exercise, strength training should prevent injuries, not create them.

I am also often curious about how long people's average workouts take. Many people typically spend quite a few hours in the gym. And many more don't even bother to start any kind of weight trining because they feel that if they can't devote hours, or whatever, then it's not even worthwhile. This is another one of those completely false ideas.

A good workout -- a really good strength workout -- can be completed in between 20-30 minutes, even less if it's intense enough. I like to use a job analogy: all strength-training workouts take you to about the same place, more or less, in about five years, approximately the same muscularity, and body weight size and strength, but some guys are spending a couple hours at the gym everyday, versus other people spending as little as an hour at the gym every week.

If you receive two job offers, for the same pay and benefits, one requiring 75-hours a week, and the other requiring 20-hours a week, which would you take? I, personally,would take the shorter hours. Now, some people might take the longer hours, simply because they love being in the office so much, but, this is my point. You do not have to be a gym-rat, nor slave, to get excellent results from strength training. I've been a critic of CrossFit for poor exercise form, but one thing they have dialed-in are brief, intense workouts.

Once you've reached your mid-forties, you are merely trying to hold onto what you've built over your lifetime thus far; you are 100% in maintainence mode. This is a very fearful thing for a lot of guys to hear. Especially, if they were never that muscular and strong to begin with. The idea that their time has passed, for PRs, and muscular increases, is a depressing propositon. But you shouldn't be depressed, or ungrateful, because it could get a lot worse! For example, you could end up like Memaw and Pepaw, limping around with a cane, walker or wheelchair.

If ever there was an incentive to continue with one's training, it would be to prevent ending up like the old folks. You've heard the saying "Use it or lose it"? Well, even if you use it, you are going to lose it, but you can slow the loss down to a trickle.

So, in training, what does NOT matter?

The amount of weight, and the number of repetitions, ie, mechanical work, doesn't seem to matter that much. More important than how much or how many is HOW you perform each repetition -- that matters a lot.

A lot of heavy lifters -- who lift for the sole joy of "how much" they can lift -- might want to argue with that, but ultimately, the amount of weight lifted is very much tied into injury-potential.

If your whole focus is bent on howmuch weight and how many reps you can do -- for your whole life -- you are going to be in a very big shock in your 50's and 60's and are going to have to come up with other motivating factors.

There are plenty of really strong guys who cannot demonstrate a big lift with a heavy weight -- because they do not practice such things -- but this does not mean they are not strong. I've met plenty of formidable guys on the jiu jitsu and wrestling mat who did not lift weights, and could not demonstrate a heavy deadlift, bench press, nor kettlebell press, despite being frightfully strong. Weightlifting is a skill -- a strength skill -- and must be practiced, but those
skills do not necessarily transfer to other activities, and those who cannot demonstrate such skills, doesn't mean they are weak.

So, what does matter?

What matters is

  • form -- the technique
  • Intensity of effort -- how effortful the exercise is
  • time under load (TUL, or some people prefer to say "time under tension" (TUT)
It's fairly well-known that people can get away with bad form and achieve good results, as far as size and muscularity. While you'll see plenty of big, strong, and muscular guys throwing and heaving weights around the gym, you won't see many of them doing in their 50s and 60's, because most are no longer training at that point, because they are too busted up, or they have repented, and changed their way of thinking to the more realistic way I am talking about.

You can avoid: knee-replacement, hip-replacement, and spinal surguries by adopting the principles I am talking about.

People make great gains on heavy-weight /low-reps, medium-weight/ medium-reps; light-weight/ high-reps. The research shows that it doesn't really seem to matter...and this is also my own observation. You will see amazing specimens using all manner of high-repetition/ low-weight body weight movements who look great, right up there with power bodybuilders and poerlifter, who also look amazing. It all comes down to what is sustainable over a lifetime. For me, slow, high-tension reps, performed with a weight I can control, over a moderate time-under-load, that is, somewhere between 40-90 seconds. Science has shown over and over again that TUL is the single most important factor.

I'll give you an example: I was in a gym and I saw a young, muscular fellow with pretty impressive upper body development, and he made sure to have his shirt off -- so everyone could see that he did -- and he proceeded to knock out 21 pull-ups -- which is pretty much the gold standard for pull-ups, if you're into those kind of numbers.

This is an old military standard that was developed for measuring upper-body mechanical work.

But, his form was a little rough; while he wasn't outright kipping, it was pretty fast, with some bouncing and jerking in there, and each rep was probably about 2-seconds. I estimated his TUL probably about 40-seconds or so.

Afterwards, I saw the guy rubbing his elbow and complaining to his buddy that his shoulders were bugging him. And this kid was only in his early twenties.

I was training a client -- a young fellow -- and I instructed him to do the same exercise, but use a very slow, high-tension rep speed. He pulled himself up slowly, with control, in about 4-seconds, paused and squeezed at the top, for 2-seconds, and slowly lowered hmself down over another 4-seconds, with a smooth turnaround at the bottom before changing direction. Each rep was about 11-12 seconds and he managed to get five reps, which is pretty impressive at that rep-speed. His TUL was around 60-seconds.

So, despite having only done five repetitions of mechanical work, his TUL was greater than the guy who did 21 reps, and the mechanical stress on his jonts and connective tissues was far less. In fact, he exclaimed to me how good his shoulders and elbows felt after the set.

My point is, "How" you perform these exercises is more important than "How much" or even "How heavy", and that you will get as much value and results from this type of training as anything else, and you'll still be able to train throughout your lifetime without injury, or pain, or unnecessary suffering. In fact, this type of training helps alleviate pain, and can be used therapeutically. I have a lifetime of injuries from wrestling and BJJ and the accompanying aches and pains that go along with that, but after doing slow, high-tension reps, or even isometrics, my joints feel great and I am pain-free for hours, even days. You can't play combat sports or rough activities and not expect to be hurt; you accept that as a reality going in, but your (strength) training should never cause those same injuries, and, if done right, can even offer relief to aching body parts.

What keeps me training, isn't motivation, so much as discipline. I train because I don't want to end up old and feeble and unable to locomote; I keep my muscles strong so I can locomote and move.
One's mobility is directly related to strength through full-range -- but I also do it as a discipline, because I know it's good for me, and I know I should. I also train for the sheer animal-joy of moving my body. Animals train and stretch and play because they like it -- because it makes them feel good -- and if they are deprived of this, they suffer terribly.

I had a little ferret once, and we named him Buster. Ferrets are really, super-playful, curious little fellas, very much like otters in that respect.

Buster was playful right up until the day he died. It was really funny, because we could see him gradually declining in the things he used to like to do, like jumping up on one of the steps, and climbing over a pet gate-barrier we had installed to specifically keep him out, but he had learned how to negotiate the obstacle.

During Buster's eight year (which is really like an old man in ferret years, something like 80 years) I observed Buster still attempting to do a lot of the same stuff he used to do, and failing, but that didn't keep him from still going out there, and playing, and being curious, because that was his good animal nature, and he remained playful right up until the end. We found him dead with one of his little toys. I think this is also in our human animal nature, and just because you are not able to lift the same weight, or perform the same reps, it doesn't mean that you should just stop, and be all disappointed about it; you should still get out there and do what you can do, obviously in a safe manner.

I want to be like Buster, and I'm just going to keep playing until the day I die. Even though his body was betraying him, and he could no longer jump the fence, and he was a ferret, not a higher nature, he remained true to that.

Strength training allows me to play, but I don't mistake play for proper training.

One of the things I want to say about weight lifting is this:

At what point do you surpass your structural strength?

If you've never lifted weights and you start in your fifties and sixties, you will make gains. You can make gains at any age if you've never lifted before. If it's virgin muscle, you can rapidly gain hypertrophy and strength at any age; but, once you've been lifting for a few years, that's pretty much it. You can also rapidly re-gain muscle, if you've taken a layoff -- I wanted to mention that. But anyone who's been lifting steadily and progressively for 4-5 years, that's pretty much it...but people don't want to hear that. You really are limited...by natural law.

Another point I want to make:

People in the sport of weightlifting or powerlifting, are often able to continue to make sllight gains -- slight increases in lifting performance -- for many years...but that is not what I'm talking about. This is due to developing better technique, not because they have gained any muscle or strength per se, and that can continue for a long time, but still, this is going to be limited, and even then, in their fifties, this will start to reverse itself.

But Steve, I continue to add weight to my bench! And I'm 45 years old!!

And yes, this is true, but it's because you are getting more efficient at the bench, not because you are necessarily any stronger or anabolic.

Here's the thing: If you have already built some muscle, size and strength when you are young, you can retain a lot of it, (as long as you don't generally dissipate yourself) and you will age way more gracefully than people who do not lift weights. If you have never lifted before, and you are a late starter, you can still gain muscle, size and strength; you will be more limited than if you had started young, but there is no reason to not do your best and get real results.

Think of strength training like saving money in the bank: you are storing up vital energy and strength, and educating your muscles to do your will, and you can draw upon this as you get older. A lot of people think that when you lift weights that you are just working muscles, but in truth, you are stimulating the endoctine system, internal organs, getting a tremendous cardio response -- proper strength training is some of the best cardio you can do.

Every muscle is connected to every organ and gland via the nervous system, so you are really toning and conditioning the entire body; it's not just some isolated muscle-thing going on there.

For healthy aging, there is no replacing good strength training, but you have to stop thinking like a twenty year old -- think of it as maintenance and tonic. Just because you are never going to see a PR on the bench or deadlift, there is no reason to stop training. As a man or woman ages, it is even more important: because you are training for your life, and not your ego. Your "kiss my pec and bicep" days may be gone, but that's no reason to stop.

In Strength & Health!

Steve Maxwell
 
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Dank je voor je reactie en je hebt natuurlijk gelijk ! Maar een klein setje in de rug.. Nou ja dat is waar ik aan denk ;-)
 

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oke als slaap het belangrijkste is dan ga ik gewoon lekker slapen ipv mijn post workout maaltijd eten.

Je kan niet zonder voeding en ook niet zonder slaap
 

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Slapen doet iedereen toch automatisch 7/8uur pd meestal. Voeding is eigen keus hoe je dat aanpakt.
 

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Dank je voor je reactie en je hebt natuurlijk gelijk ! Maar een klein setje in de rug.. Nou ja dat is waar ik aan denk ;-)
Testosteron Enanthaat 250-300 mg per week is genoeg voor de 1e keer. 10 weken.
 

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Hoe lang train je al?
 
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Bijna 1,5 jaar minimaal 3 x per week.
 
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Dacht ook aan 250mg/ per week. Wat ik beetje lastig vind is hoe weet ik zeker dat wat ik koop ook goed is.. Ik wil natuurlijk geen troep
 

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Testosteron Enanthaat 250-300 mg per week is genoeg voor de 1e keer. 10 weken.
Voor 250mg ga je toch niet je eigen productie plat leggen. En wat bouw je op in die 10 weken ?wat vocht en dat ben je zo weer kwijt . 10 weken kuren op 250mg test noem ik geen kuren , kun je net zo goed naturel blijven.
 
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Wat adviseer jij dan ?
 

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Bijna 1,5 jaar minimaal 3 x per week.
Als je nog zo kort traint en je hebt nu al een steuntje in de rug nodig dan zou ik toch eens kijken naar dieet, leefstijl en training.

Als je daar zelf niet uitkomt of geen zin hebt om erin te verdiepen dan zou ik het geld dat je gereserveerd hebt voor AAS uitgeven aan coaching.
 

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Voor 250mg ga je toch niet je eigen productie plat leggen. En wat bouw je op in die 10 weken ?wat vocht en dat ben je zo weer kwijt . 10 weken kuren op 250mg test noem ik geen kuren , kun je net zo goed naturel blijven.
Nee is niet waar. Ik ken gasten die 110 kg wegen en nog voorruit gaan met alleen maar 300 mg Test per week.
Als TS >45 jaar is en nooit eerder heeft gekuurd dan zal hij dat zeker gaan merken. Mocht het tegenvallen dan kan hij nog altijd gaan verhogen.
 

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