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de bezetting: illegaal dus recht op verzet, ook volgens Westerlingen
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In de documentaire checkpoints zie je dat er om de tien kilometer een opening is ter grote van 2 volwassen mannen. Je kan er dus nog steeds tussen, of zelfs over als je een ladder hebt; Dus die muur zal op zich geen terrorist tegenhouden.
Het enige wat de muur doet is de palestijnse dorpen van andere palestijnse dorpen scheiden, ziekenhuizen onbereikbaar maken, de palestijnse economie platleggen, de palestijnen weg proberen pesten, en steeds verder grond inpikken. Want de muur staat niet op de officiele groene lijn maar annexeert nog eens 12 procent palestijnse grond. But hey, so what else is new?!
In een dorp waar joden en moslims (en niet joden en palestijnen, want anders vergelijk je een religieuze groep met een "ras") eeuwen samenleefden als buren die elkaar uitnodigden voor een kopje thee, werd besloten de muur daar ook door te laten lopen. de burgemeester van het dorp (een jood) vroeg aan de kolonel of dat wel zo verstandig was en of dat wel nodig was omdat ze daar nog nooit van terrorisme of problemen hadden geweten. De kolonel zette heel grof en brutaal de burgemeester op zijn plaats en zei dat die maar snel zijn mond moest houden. Diezelfde dag vernietigde men de olijfbomenhaard van het palestijnse dorp en werden er zelf bomen gewoonweg op trucks geladen en weggevoerd (zeg maar gestolen!). Het dorp zat plots zonder inkomen. (doel is ze wegpesten om dan de grond in te pikken). Diezelfde avond was er een jongeman uit dat palestijnse dorp die in een koloniste haar huis binnendrong en haar vermoorde!
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Je hebt hier eingelijk gewoon de vraag in het genre van : de kip of het ei
wie was er eerst ? de joden - wie was er het langst? de palestijnen
Ik begrijp het natuurlijk wel, stel je voor dat de spanjaarden plots afkomen: eila! 500 jaar geleden was Nederland van ons, we willen het terug om de basken erin te steken...
De schuldige is eingelijk de VN: wie geeft er nu een land weg aan de slachtoffers van de oorlog en maakt zo een andere bevolkingsgroep dakloos. Palestijnen gaan er nooit weggaan, en Joden zullen 'hun' land nu ook nie afgeven.
Een redelijk mens zou het in twee verdelen. Maar met de PLO valt nie te praten..
wie was er eerst ? de joden - wie was er het langst? de palestijnen
Ik begrijp het natuurlijk wel, stel je voor dat de spanjaarden plots afkomen: eila! 500 jaar geleden was Nederland van ons, we willen het terug om de basken erin te steken...
De schuldige is eingelijk de VN: wie geeft er nu een land weg aan de slachtoffers van de oorlog en maakt zo een andere bevolkingsgroep dakloos. Palestijnen gaan er nooit weggaan, en Joden zullen 'hun' land nu ook nie afgeven.
Een redelijk mens zou het in twee verdelen. Maar met de PLO valt nie te praten..
ik ga volledig met je akkoord maar het zijn niet de palestijnen die moeten inbinden he. Hun eis is niet zo veeleisend hoor. het enige wat ze vragen is een "twee staten-oplossing" en een einde van de bezetting; En het terugkeren naar de grenzen van 1967. Israel weigert dit categoriek. Wat in strijd is met de VN-resoluties.
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grappenmaker.............
er was daar niets, de Joden krijgen een stukje land toegewezen door GB, toendertijd bezitter van dat land daar.
De Joden maken er een prachtig land van, Palestijnen die er eerst niet naar omkeken willen nu het land opeisen omdat het zogenaamd van hun is.
Kan wel zo zijn he maar waarom komen ze daar tig jaar later pas mee?
er was daar niets, de Joden krijgen een stukje land toegewezen door GB, toendertijd bezitter van dat land daar.
De Joden maken er een prachtig land van, Palestijnen die er eerst niet naar omkeken willen nu het land opeisen omdat het zogenaamd van hun is.
Kan wel zo zijn he maar waarom komen ze daar tig jaar later pas mee?
Heb je wel de links aangeklikt die aantonen wat er daar werkleijk is gebeurd van 1890 tot 1948?
Ze kregen een stuk grond, waren er niet blij mee, verjaagden via terroristische aanslagen de plaatselijke bevolking om hun grond in te palmen. De VN zei dat dat niet mocht maar de aanslagen bleven doorgaan, zelf Engelsen weredn er het slachtoffer van. Toen kwam de oorlog van 1967 omdat de Israeli's steeds verder gingen; De Arabieren verloren de orlog en er werden nieuwe grenzen gesteld. Israel pakte nog meer gtond en in de plaatsen die van de Palestijnen bleven kwamen kolonisten wonen. Het hele zaakje is veroordeeld door de VN en is tegen de mensenrechten en tegen de moraal.
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zo gaat dat toch met oorlog of wat,
de winner takes it all en dan niet achteraf gaan lopen zeuren. Als de Arabs de oorlog hadden gewonnen waren de Joden stelselmatig uitgeroeid. Zijn allemaal hetzelfde.....
btw vanaf wanneer bestaat de VN eigenlijk en dat stukkie grond kregen ze pas na de 2de wereldoorlog. Dus we hebben het hier over een tijdspanne van 3 jaar.
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Meen je nou werkelijk dat deze kwestie dan voorbij is!? Kom op man, jij komt over als een intelligent persoon. Dan weet jij net zo goed als mij dat veel Palestijnen (al dan niet geïndoctrineerd) de Joden haten en dat ze de staat Israël nooit zullen erkennen. Sterker nog, de meeste zullen er alles aan willen doen om Israël omver te werpen en de bezetters te verjagen.
Nee dit conflict zal voorlopig (als in tientallen jaren) nog wel aanhouden vrees ik.
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Thinkalot, haal je kop eens uit je reet en geloof niet in al die mosimpropanda.
Voorbeeldje: Green Helmet, nieuwsregisseur En zo gaat dit met al die vuilakken door rondom israel.
Daarnaast nog die vieze palestijnen die kinderen en vrouwen inzetten om aanslagen te plegen, en daarna nog een keihard beweren dat israel altijd doelbewust onschuldigen dood.
Voorbeeldje: Green Helmet, nieuwsregisseur En zo gaat dit met al die vuilakken door rondom israel.
Daarnaast nog die vieze palestijnen die kinderen en vrouwen inzetten om aanslagen te plegen, en daarna nog een keihard beweren dat israel altijd doelbewust onschuldigen dood.
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Helemaal gelijk jongen , waar er 2 strijden zijn er 2 schuldig, simpel en logisch.Oooow een verhaal van 2 kanten bekijken ,.... dat word lastig voor thinky
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ieder stuk land is ooit in de tijd van iemand anders geweest. Dus laten we allemaal het kadaster induiken , stambomen oprakelen en knokken maar.Terug naar de tijd van batavieren germanen en gothen.
Palestijnen gebruiken geweld. Israel ook maar houdt zich in ieder geval nog in anders was heel palestina al van de kaart verdwenen.
Palestijnen gebruiken geweld. Israel ook maar houdt zich in ieder geval nog in anders was heel palestina al van de kaart verdwenen.
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Vergeet ook niet dat strijders zich bewust in schooltjes en andere openbare voorzieningen verstoppen. De hezbollah schuilde zelfs op VN terrein.
Vergeet ook niet dat israel met gemak alles en iedereen daar kapot maakt, gezien hun wapentuig. Als de palestijnen deze middelen ter beschikking hebben zal israel meteen van de kaart af worden geveegd.
Inderdad, zo gaat het al 50 jaar.
En men blijft maar de feiten verdraaien.
In 1910 leefden palestijnen daar in dat gebied. Die leefden daar samen met joden, zonder problemen.
Maar toen kwamen de Zionisten de boel vertoren. Ui t de links blijkt dat de joden het eerst begonnen met de aanslagen omdat ze niet akkoord waren met wat hen cadeau was gedaan. Ze bleven aanslagen plegen en de VN veroordeeelde dit. Ze bleven doorgaan en hebben zo meer dan 80 procent van het land ingepikt.
Het volk heeft niks meer. Niks; Ze kunnen niet zoals ons een klacht indienen bij de rechtbank, ze hebben geen financiele slagkracht en ook geen militaire. Het volk doet wat elk volk doet: zich verzetten tegen de bezetter.
Denk je nu echt dat iemand zich graag opblaast?
De bezetting is illegaal, en het bezetten volk heet het internationale recht een soldaat te vermoorden als deze zich in de bezette gebieden bevindt.
DAt zijn geen terroristen.
Als een Palestijn in israel binnengaat en een militair dood dan heeft hij dat recht; Hij heeft niet het recht burgers te doden.
Het is zo simple. Stop de bezetting, dat is alles wat de Palestijnen vragen.
Inderdaad, je zegt het goe: het palestijnse volk gooit steentjes naar de grootste militaire macht n na Amerika , ter wereld;
En dan spreekt men van een staakt het vuren alsof beide kampen elkaar waard zijn.
Israel weerhoud de belastingen die de palesijnse overheid recht op heeft. Daardoor kunen ze hunambtenaren niet betalen. Ze ontvoeren en kidnappen ministers!!! Stel je voor. En dan heet dat geen ontvoering maar een arrestatie.
De links die ik aantoonde tonen de werkelijkheid maar niemand heeft de films van a tot z uitgekeken.
Zielig
de strijders waar je het over hebt zijn verzetsstrijders. Ze hebben het internationale recht zich te verzetten tegen de bezetter.
Israel heeft nu op een groep vrouwen geschoten en twee vrouwen vermoord toen die vrouw op weg waren naar een moskee waar volgens israel militanten zich schuilhielden!
ze waren op weg, de beelden toonden dat de vrouwen op weg waren. Ze waren dus nog niet mensne aan het beschermen in de moskee. Ze waren niet gewaepend.Israel heeft weer eens een oorlogsmisdaad achter de rug. Mooi is dat; en wat zegt het nieuwsd? Niks!
Is het je niet opgevallen dat men niet spreekt over het palestijnse volk en over huun verschrikkelijke situratie tot er iets gebeurd; indien de Palestijnen niks doen, dan worden ze de komen de100 jaar nog verdoet door de Israeli's .
Ze moeten reageren en de wereld moet hen helpen omdat de bezetting illegaal is.
dit gebeurt voortdurend!
schoolgirl riddled with bullets. And no one is to blame
Questions remain after Israeli unit commander is cleared of Palestinian pupil's death
Chris McGreal in Rafah
Thursday October 21, 2004
The Guardian
The undisputed facts are these: it was broad daylight, 13-year-old Iman al-Hams was wearing her school uniform, and when she walked into the Israeli army's "forbidden zone" at the bottom of her street she was carrying her satchel. A few minutes later the short, slight child was pumped with bullets. Doctors counted at least 17 wounds and said much of her head was destroyed.
Beyond that there is little agreement between the army top brass and Palestinian witnesses as to how Iman came to die last week, or even among members of the military unit responsible for killing the child in Gaza's Rafah refugee camp.
Palestinian witnesses described the shooting as cold-blooded. They say soldiers could not have failed to see they were firing at a child, and she was killed as she already lay wounded and helpless.
"Some soldiers were lying on the ground and shooting very heavily toward her," said Basim Breaka, who saw the killing from her living room. "Then one of the soldiers walked to her and emptied his clip into her. For sure she died on the second or third bullet. I could see her lying on the ground, not moving. I can't imagine why that soldier wanted to shoot her after she was dead."
This week an army investigation cleared the unit's commander after some of his own soldiers accused him of giving the order to shoot knowing the target was a young girl, and of then emptying the clip of his automatic rifle into her.
On the day she died, Iman left home shortly before 7am for the short walk to school in Rafah's Tal al-Sultan neighbourhood. The school, facing the heavily militarised border with Egypt, is under the shadow of a towering camouflaged Israeli gunpost.
Like almost every other building in the area, Iman's school is pockmarked by bullets. Last year, a 13-year-old boy was shot dead by the army outside the school. This year, two pupils and a teacher were wounded by bullets inside the grounds.
Iman walked past her school with her satchel over her shoulder, crossed the road and climbed down a small sandy bank to an area that was an olive and citrus orchard until the army's bulldozers flattened it in April. She had entered the "forbidden zone" next to the watchtower where any Palestinian risks being shot.
The schoolgirl kept on walking toward the tower but was still several hundred metres away when two shots caught her in the leg. She dropped her bag, turned, tried to hobble away, and fell.
Four or five soldiers emerged from the army post and shot at her from a distance. Palestinian witnesses and some Israeli soldiers say that the platoon commander moved in closer to put two bullets in the child's head. They say that he then walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body.
Iman's corpse was taken to Rafah's hospital and inspected by Dr Mohammed al-Hams. "She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs," he said. "The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face. Another bullet went from the neck to the face and damaged the area under the mouth."
The doctor said that the nature of the wounds suggested that Iman was already dead when some of the bullets hit her. The army swiftly blamed Iman for her own death by entering the forbidden zone. At first, the military said soldiers suspected the girl was carrying a bomb in her satchel. When it turned out there was no bomb, it said she was being used by Palestinian combatants to lure troops from their post.
But some soldiers in the unit responsible, the Shaked battalion, were outraged at what they saw as a cover-up. One told Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper that a soldier in the watchtower had told the company commander that he was about to shoot a child: "Don't shoot, it's a little girl".
"The company commander approached her, shot two bullets into her, walked back towards the force, turned back to her, switched his weapon to automatic and emptied his entire magazine into her. We were in shock. We couldn't believe what he was doing. Our hearts ached for her. Just a girl of 13," a soldier told the newspaper.
Other soldiers said that if the company commander was not dismissed they would refuse to serve under him: "It is a disgrace that he is still in his position. We want him kicked out."
The accounts of Palestinian witnesses back the claims of the protesting soldiers.
Fuad Zourob was working at a small brick factory overlooking the area where Iman was shot. "The girl was walking in the sand. She was shot from the army post. She was hit in the leg and she was crawling.
"Then she stood up and started to try and run and then she fell. The shooting went on. The soldiers arrived by foot. One came close to the girl and started to shoot. He walked away, turned back and then shot her some more," he said.
Yousef Breaka watched from the balcony of his second floor flat. He owns the 12 acres of bulldozed land beside the building which Iman crossed minutes before she was shot.
"The first shot came from the army post. It hit her in the leg. She was starting to walk on and then fell. She dropped her bag. They were firing, heavy shooting. I am sure she died before the two soldiers came and shot her bag and then her," he said.
Mr Breaka's living room wall is decorated with the holes of nine bullets fired from the Israeli army watchtower two years ago. A tenth bullet killed his 80-year-old mother, Jindiya.
Neither Iman's father, Samir al-Hams, nor the witnesses know why the girl walked into the forbidden zone.
"I can't explain why she was there. I've asked everyone and no one can explain it. Perhaps she just wanted to walk on the sand. Perhaps she was confused. I don't know," said Mr al-Hams.
Mr Zourob was surprised to see Iman walking at the back of his factory. "I was astonished. I didn't know why she was there. No one goes toward that area. She was alone but some of the schoolchildren were calling her: Iman, why are you there?" he said.
The watchtower sits atop a large hill of sand. It is surrounded by barbed wire and other defences. Even before she was hit in the leg, it would have taken Iman 10 minutes or more to scramble up the hill. Once she was wounded, there was little chance she could have got to the watchtower.
If she was carrying a bomb, it could have harmed Israeli troops had she got close enough to them. But after Iman was shot in the leg she dropped her school bag.
Palestinian witnesses say soldiers pumped it full of bullets, establishing that it was not a bomb, but still went on to shoot the girl.
The Israeli army's rules of engagement permit soldiers to wound a person who enters a security zone and does not heed warning shots to leave. But once the person is wounded, soldiers are only permitted to kill if there is an imminent threat to their lives. Witnesses say Iman was helpless and posed no such threat.
Her father is a teacher at a primary school neighbouring his daughter's. "The day Iman was killed, the headmistress of her school called me at 8.15 and asked why she wasn't at school. I said I had no idea.," he said.
"I ran to the school. The teachers and headmistress told me the army shot toward a small girl but she was fine, don't worry. I calmed down a bit when I heard that and thought maybe they shot toward her to make her afraid and arrested her for interrogation and they will release her. But then they declared her dead. That was the worst moment in my life."
This week, the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, completed his investigation and pronounced that the company commander had not acted unethically in the shooting of Iman but was being suspended for losing the confidence of his soldiers.
The speed of the investigation has revealed once again the cursory nature of the army's inquiries into such shootings. A more thorough investigation usually only follows if there is external pressure, such as in the case of three Britons shot dead by Israeli soldiers over the past two years.
The military has quietly dropped an investigation into the killing by an Israeli sniper of a brother and sister, both teenagers, in Rafah in May. The army falsely claimed that the pair were killed by a Palestinian bomb and only began the investigation after journalists found the bodies of the children and reported that both had a single shot to the head.
Under pressure from the revelations of the Shaked battalion soldiers, the military police has launched a separate investigation into the death of Iman al-Hams. The soldiers say they will insist that it is completed.
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iedere ker als israel verschrikkelijke zaken doet, en het komt uit, dan zeggen ze: "er volgt een onderzoek". En na een aantal dagen vergeet men het incident en daarmee is de kous af! MAar niet voor de Palestijnen.
schoolgirl riddled with bullets. And no one is to blame
Questions remain after Israeli unit commander is cleared of Palestinian pupil's death
Chris McGreal in Rafah
Thursday October 21, 2004
The Guardian
The undisputed facts are these: it was broad daylight, 13-year-old Iman al-Hams was wearing her school uniform, and when she walked into the Israeli army's "forbidden zone" at the bottom of her street she was carrying her satchel. A few minutes later the short, slight child was pumped with bullets. Doctors counted at least 17 wounds and said much of her head was destroyed.
Beyond that there is little agreement between the army top brass and Palestinian witnesses as to how Iman came to die last week, or even among members of the military unit responsible for killing the child in Gaza's Rafah refugee camp.
Palestinian witnesses described the shooting as cold-blooded. They say soldiers could not have failed to see they were firing at a child, and she was killed as she already lay wounded and helpless.
"Some soldiers were lying on the ground and shooting very heavily toward her," said Basim Breaka, who saw the killing from her living room. "Then one of the soldiers walked to her and emptied his clip into her. For sure she died on the second or third bullet. I could see her lying on the ground, not moving. I can't imagine why that soldier wanted to shoot her after she was dead."
This week an army investigation cleared the unit's commander after some of his own soldiers accused him of giving the order to shoot knowing the target was a young girl, and of then emptying the clip of his automatic rifle into her.
On the day she died, Iman left home shortly before 7am for the short walk to school in Rafah's Tal al-Sultan neighbourhood. The school, facing the heavily militarised border with Egypt, is under the shadow of a towering camouflaged Israeli gunpost.
Like almost every other building in the area, Iman's school is pockmarked by bullets. Last year, a 13-year-old boy was shot dead by the army outside the school. This year, two pupils and a teacher were wounded by bullets inside the grounds.
Iman walked past her school with her satchel over her shoulder, crossed the road and climbed down a small sandy bank to an area that was an olive and citrus orchard until the army's bulldozers flattened it in April. She had entered the "forbidden zone" next to the watchtower where any Palestinian risks being shot.
The schoolgirl kept on walking toward the tower but was still several hundred metres away when two shots caught her in the leg. She dropped her bag, turned, tried to hobble away, and fell.
Four or five soldiers emerged from the army post and shot at her from a distance. Palestinian witnesses and some Israeli soldiers say that the platoon commander moved in closer to put two bullets in the child's head. They say that he then walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body.
Iman's corpse was taken to Rafah's hospital and inspected by Dr Mohammed al-Hams. "She has at least 17 bullets in several parts of the body, all along the chest, hands, arms, legs," he said. "The bullets were large and shot from a close distance. The most serious injuries were to her head. She had three bullets in the head. One bullet was shot from the right side of the face beside the ear. It had a big impact on the whole face. Another bullet went from the neck to the face and damaged the area under the mouth."
The doctor said that the nature of the wounds suggested that Iman was already dead when some of the bullets hit her. The army swiftly blamed Iman for her own death by entering the forbidden zone. At first, the military said soldiers suspected the girl was carrying a bomb in her satchel. When it turned out there was no bomb, it said she was being used by Palestinian combatants to lure troops from their post.
But some soldiers in the unit responsible, the Shaked battalion, were outraged at what they saw as a cover-up. One told Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper that a soldier in the watchtower had told the company commander that he was about to shoot a child: "Don't shoot, it's a little girl".
"The company commander approached her, shot two bullets into her, walked back towards the force, turned back to her, switched his weapon to automatic and emptied his entire magazine into her. We were in shock. We couldn't believe what he was doing. Our hearts ached for her. Just a girl of 13," a soldier told the newspaper.
Other soldiers said that if the company commander was not dismissed they would refuse to serve under him: "It is a disgrace that he is still in his position. We want him kicked out."
The accounts of Palestinian witnesses back the claims of the protesting soldiers.
Fuad Zourob was working at a small brick factory overlooking the area where Iman was shot. "The girl was walking in the sand. She was shot from the army post. She was hit in the leg and she was crawling.
"Then she stood up and started to try and run and then she fell. The shooting went on. The soldiers arrived by foot. One came close to the girl and started to shoot. He walked away, turned back and then shot her some more," he said.
Yousef Breaka watched from the balcony of his second floor flat. He owns the 12 acres of bulldozed land beside the building which Iman crossed minutes before she was shot.
"The first shot came from the army post. It hit her in the leg. She was starting to walk on and then fell. She dropped her bag. They were firing, heavy shooting. I am sure she died before the two soldiers came and shot her bag and then her," he said.
Mr Breaka's living room wall is decorated with the holes of nine bullets fired from the Israeli army watchtower two years ago. A tenth bullet killed his 80-year-old mother, Jindiya.
Neither Iman's father, Samir al-Hams, nor the witnesses know why the girl walked into the forbidden zone.
"I can't explain why she was there. I've asked everyone and no one can explain it. Perhaps she just wanted to walk on the sand. Perhaps she was confused. I don't know," said Mr al-Hams.
Mr Zourob was surprised to see Iman walking at the back of his factory. "I was astonished. I didn't know why she was there. No one goes toward that area. She was alone but some of the schoolchildren were calling her: Iman, why are you there?" he said.
The watchtower sits atop a large hill of sand. It is surrounded by barbed wire and other defences. Even before she was hit in the leg, it would have taken Iman 10 minutes or more to scramble up the hill. Once she was wounded, there was little chance she could have got to the watchtower.
If she was carrying a bomb, it could have harmed Israeli troops had she got close enough to them. But after Iman was shot in the leg she dropped her school bag.
Palestinian witnesses say soldiers pumped it full of bullets, establishing that it was not a bomb, but still went on to shoot the girl.
The Israeli army's rules of engagement permit soldiers to wound a person who enters a security zone and does not heed warning shots to leave. But once the person is wounded, soldiers are only permitted to kill if there is an imminent threat to their lives. Witnesses say Iman was helpless and posed no such threat.
Her father is a teacher at a primary school neighbouring his daughter's. "The day Iman was killed, the headmistress of her school called me at 8.15 and asked why she wasn't at school. I said I had no idea.," he said.
"I ran to the school. The teachers and headmistress told me the army shot toward a small girl but she was fine, don't worry. I calmed down a bit when I heard that and thought maybe they shot toward her to make her afraid and arrested her for interrogation and they will release her. But then they declared her dead. That was the worst moment in my life."
This week, the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, completed his investigation and pronounced that the company commander had not acted unethically in the shooting of Iman but was being suspended for losing the confidence of his soldiers.
The speed of the investigation has revealed once again the cursory nature of the army's inquiries into such shootings. A more thorough investigation usually only follows if there is external pressure, such as in the case of three Britons shot dead by Israeli soldiers over the past two years.
The military has quietly dropped an investigation into the killing by an Israeli sniper of a brother and sister, both teenagers, in Rafah in May. The army falsely claimed that the pair were killed by a Palestinian bomb and only began the investigation after journalists found the bodies of the children and reported that both had a single shot to the head.
Under pressure from the revelations of the Shaked battalion soldiers, the military police has launched a separate investigation into the death of Iman al-Hams. The soldiers say they will insist that it is completed.
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iedere ker als israel verschrikkelijke zaken doet, en het komt uit, dan zeggen ze: "er volgt een onderzoek". En na een aantal dagen vergeet men het incident en daarmee is de kous af! MAar niet voor de Palestijnen.
Laatst bewerkt:
Israeli soldiers refuse to serve in occupied territoriesTanbou / Tambour, Printemps 2002
Israeli soldiers refuse to serve in occupied territories a Refusenik Letter:
W
e, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.
We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.
We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF’s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements. We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel’s defense.
The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose—and we shall take no part in them.
Three signers sentenced to prison
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mit Gal, 31, father of a four-year-old son, has served in the paratroopers since 1989. His uncle on his mother’s side was killed in 1968 as a commando soldier, His uncle on his father side was killed in 1973 in the 73 war. His father was handicapped during his service in the IDF in the past. Before his trial he contacted his commanders and asked not to be stationed in the territories. He requested to be assigned to anything else available. Despite his requests his CO met him this Sunday, cursed him (he later apologized), and then Amit was sentenced by his regiment commander to 28 days in Military Prison 4.
Sharon Shmila, 29, is married, a father of a ten-month-old baby girl, and serves as an officer in an infantry unit (GOLANI). Before his recent service he contacted his commanders and asked to be reassigned to a location out side of the territories. His CO sentenced him to 28 days in Military Prison 6.
Israeli soldiers refuse to serve in occupied territories a Refusenik Letter:
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e, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.
We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.
We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.
We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF’s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.
We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.
We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements. We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel’s defense.
The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose—and we shall take no part in them.
Three signers sentenced to prison
A
mit Gal, 31, father of a four-year-old son, has served in the paratroopers since 1989. His uncle on his mother’s side was killed in 1968 as a commando soldier, His uncle on his father side was killed in 1973 in the 73 war. His father was handicapped during his service in the IDF in the past. Before his trial he contacted his commanders and asked not to be stationed in the territories. He requested to be assigned to anything else available. Despite his requests his CO met him this Sunday, cursed him (he later apologized), and then Amit was sentenced by his regiment commander to 28 days in Military Prison 4.
Sharon Shmila, 29, is married, a father of a ten-month-old baby girl, and serves as an officer in an infantry unit (GOLANI). Before his recent service he contacted his commanders and asked to be reassigned to a location out side of the territories. His CO sentenced him to 28 days in Military Prison 6.
er zijn tientallen Joodse organisaties, over de hele wereld, die tegen de bezetting zijn. Dat wil toch al iets zeggen he:
Jews Against the Occupation is an organization of progressive, secular and religious Jews of all ages throughout the New York City area advocating peace through justice for Palestine and Israel. Our points of unity are as follows:
NO OCCUPATION IN OUR NAME
We as American Jews reject the Israeli government assertion that it is "necessary" to subjugate Palestinians for the sake of keeping Jews safe. We assert that security can only come from mutual respect, and that the occupation of Palestine is only worsening the position of Jews in the Middle East and around the world.
RESTORE HUMAN & CIVIL RIGHTS
The Israeli military fires bone-crushing rubber bullets and live ammunition at unarmed Palestinian civilians engaged in peaceful protest, failing to distinguish between peaceful and violent resistance. The Israeli government has been demolishing Palestinian houses and crops in the Occupied Territories, while allowing Jewish settlers -- many of them American -- to illegally occupy the same land.
END U.S. AID TO ISRAEL
The U.S. government provides more aid to Israel than to any other country—the vast majority of this is for military purposes. Billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars have propped up the occupation and fueled the Israeli government’s war machine (as well as disguising the occupation’s true cost). This aid must end.
STOP ECONOMIC ATTACKS ON PALESTINE
The Israeli government has attacked the Palestinian economy by: closing Palestinian banks; imposing extreme taxes on business; withdrawing operating licenses; destroying industrial equipment; bulldozing farmland and banning fishing; restricting workers' movement; controlling the export of Palestinian goods; closing the borders of the Occupied Territories; and refusing to fund infrastructure like water and electricity -- even in Arab villages within Israel.
LET PALESTINIANS RETURN HOME
Thousands of Palestinians were driven out of their houses and off of their farms during and after the creation of Israel. They must be allowed to return to their homeland.
ANTI-SEMITISM VS. CRITIQUES OF ISRAEL
Jews Against the Occupation stands firmly against anti-Semitism and racism in all its forms. We see our historical struggle against anti- Semitism--a cornerstone of European white supremacist ideology--as inherently linked to all struggles against oppression. We therefore stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people in their struggle for freedom.
Judaism is a cultural and religious identity, which must not be equated with Zionism, a political movement. Criticism of the state of Israel, its policies, or the idea of a Jewish state does not by itself constitute anti-Semitism. Dismissing critics of Israel or of Zionism as "anti-Semitic" is a means of stifling debate and masking the impact of the occupation.
Jews Against the Occupation is an organization of progressive, secular and religious Jews of all ages throughout the New York City area advocating peace through justice for Palestine and Israel. Our points of unity are as follows:
NO OCCUPATION IN OUR NAME
We as American Jews reject the Israeli government assertion that it is "necessary" to subjugate Palestinians for the sake of keeping Jews safe. We assert that security can only come from mutual respect, and that the occupation of Palestine is only worsening the position of Jews in the Middle East and around the world.
RESTORE HUMAN & CIVIL RIGHTS
The Israeli military fires bone-crushing rubber bullets and live ammunition at unarmed Palestinian civilians engaged in peaceful protest, failing to distinguish between peaceful and violent resistance. The Israeli government has been demolishing Palestinian houses and crops in the Occupied Territories, while allowing Jewish settlers -- many of them American -- to illegally occupy the same land.
END U.S. AID TO ISRAEL
The U.S. government provides more aid to Israel than to any other country—the vast majority of this is for military purposes. Billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars have propped up the occupation and fueled the Israeli government’s war machine (as well as disguising the occupation’s true cost). This aid must end.
STOP ECONOMIC ATTACKS ON PALESTINE
The Israeli government has attacked the Palestinian economy by: closing Palestinian banks; imposing extreme taxes on business; withdrawing operating licenses; destroying industrial equipment; bulldozing farmland and banning fishing; restricting workers' movement; controlling the export of Palestinian goods; closing the borders of the Occupied Territories; and refusing to fund infrastructure like water and electricity -- even in Arab villages within Israel.
LET PALESTINIANS RETURN HOME
Thousands of Palestinians were driven out of their houses and off of their farms during and after the creation of Israel. They must be allowed to return to their homeland.
ANTI-SEMITISM VS. CRITIQUES OF ISRAEL
Jews Against the Occupation stands firmly against anti-Semitism and racism in all its forms. We see our historical struggle against anti- Semitism--a cornerstone of European white supremacist ideology--as inherently linked to all struggles against oppression. We therefore stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people in their struggle for freedom.
Judaism is a cultural and religious identity, which must not be equated with Zionism, a political movement. Criticism of the state of Israel, its policies, or the idea of a Jewish state does not by itself constitute anti-Semitism. Dismissing critics of Israel or of Zionism as "anti-Semitic" is a means of stifling debate and masking the impact of the occupation.
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Van het lezen van die laatste post van thinkalot kreeg ik het wel erg koud. Oorlogen zijn altijd speelplaatsen voor zieke geesten, kinderen zijn makkelijke slachtoffers, aan beide kanten en de beste manier om een conflict in stand te houden..