Big_T zei:
Ik doel ook niet op die 300-400. Ik doel op het verhaal opzich. Mensen praten hier alsof je lever kapot is na 6-8 weken 50mg dboll ofzo..
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Ik doel ook niet op die 300-400. Ik doel op het verhaal opzich. Mensen praten hier alsof je lever kapot is na 6-8 weken 50mg dboll ofzo..
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Maar goed, vind je het erg dat men dat verhaal soms erger maakt dan het is? Ik alvast niet, better safe than sorry! Men moet natuurlijk geen leugens gaan verspreiden, dat is wat anders.
Nog even een reactie. Pin je ook niet vast op 1 studie. Niet elke persoon is gelijk, niet elke lever reageert hetzelfde. Het zou erg gevaarlijk zijn om nu maar meteen te denken dat 100 mg drol aan 12 weken voor iedereen 100% safe is.Dr. Worf zei:
Big_T zei:
Het gaat hierbij niet om een man maar om 31:
Voorderest geef ik je geen ongelijk, het moet natuurlijk niet als een "vrijgeleide" worden gezien om te zeggen dat het helemaal zonder risico is..
Big_T die van yates weet ik niets van. Grote kans dat hij niet echt is maar de doseringen zijn niet zo ongelofelijk als sommige willen geloven.
op www.professionalmuscle.com zijn nogal wat pro s die open over hun gebruik praten.... Zoek maar een op de threads van bigheinz big a bigkiwi ( jongen uit zeeland die tijd geleden in het nieuws was ivm grote partijen ghb steroide enz). Dit zijn threads door hun zelf aangemaakt dus imo eerlijke schema's. Deze jongens halen de posedown niet in de shows die ze doen. Dan is eeen cycle van de nummer 1 van wereld helemaal zo gek nog niet.
Wat leuke citaten.
Advies om droog te worden... als beginner.
Cutting compounds: Use a good ECA product like SyntheBURN twice a day, every day. Use Clenbuterol at 80mcg/day for the first week.
Increase it to 160mcg/d for the second week. The third week you
add 25mcg/d T3. You add another 25mcg/d every week
following that, until you reach 150mcg/d. You stay on
that until the end of the diet. You stay on
Clenbuterol thoughout as well. Yes, you will be
racing! But you will not loose any muscle, so do
not worry about that (as long as you take your protein
in).
Last week do your diuretics program. That will be outlined in another article. One hour before stage time use Synthelator. It's use is outlined on the board. Use the Search engine.
This program will get you in competition shape pronto while keeping all your size on. If you appear to be losing muscle, eat more protein
Of we gaan als"beginner" maar eens kuren. Die pro s kuren niet heel het jaar door joh nee ze adviseren alleen beginners om het wel te doen.
GEAR
You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty.
You need an anabolic - deca or Eq at 400mg/week is
plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like
d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d.
You use the test and the anabolic non stop. The oral
is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Every 6th week (the half
way point between the off oral period - so 2 weeks
after you finish the oral) you have a blood test. If
the blood test is OK, then you can begin your next 4
weeks on oral. There is no reason for you to come off.
The only 2 reasons are health or your receptors are
saturated. If the regular blood test is OK, your
health is OK. If you are still making progress, your
receptors are OK. Coming off, will just sabotage your
gains.
op www.professionalmuscle.com zijn nogal wat pro s die open over hun gebruik praten.... Zoek maar een op de threads van bigheinz big a bigkiwi ( jongen uit zeeland die tijd geleden in het nieuws was ivm grote partijen ghb steroide enz). Dit zijn threads door hun zelf aangemaakt dus imo eerlijke schema's. Deze jongens halen de posedown niet in de shows die ze doen. Dan is eeen cycle van de nummer 1 van wereld helemaal zo gek nog niet.
Wat leuke citaten.
Advies om droog te worden... als beginner.
Cutting compounds: Use a good ECA product like SyntheBURN twice a day, every day. Use Clenbuterol at 80mcg/day for the first week.
Increase it to 160mcg/d for the second week. The third week you
add 25mcg/d T3. You add another 25mcg/d every week
following that, until you reach 150mcg/d. You stay on
that until the end of the diet. You stay on
Clenbuterol thoughout as well. Yes, you will be
racing! But you will not loose any muscle, so do
not worry about that (as long as you take your protein
in).
Last week do your diuretics program. That will be outlined in another article. One hour before stage time use Synthelator. It's use is outlined on the board. Use the Search engine.
This program will get you in competition shape pronto while keeping all your size on. If you appear to be losing muscle, eat more protein
Of we gaan als"beginner" maar eens kuren. Die pro s kuren niet heel het jaar door joh nee ze adviseren alleen beginners om het wel te doen.
GEAR
You need a testosterone base. 750mg/week is plenty.
You need an anabolic - deca or Eq at 400mg/week is
plenty. You need for optimum growth, a good oral like
d-bol at 30mg/d or A-50 50mg/d.
You use the test and the anabolic non stop. The oral
is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Every 6th week (the half
way point between the off oral period - so 2 weeks
after you finish the oral) you have a blood test. If
the blood test is OK, then you can begin your next 4
weeks on oral. There is no reason for you to come off.
The only 2 reasons are health or your receptors are
saturated. If the regular blood test is OK, your
health is OK. If you are still making progress, your
receptors are OK. Coming off, will just sabotage your
gains.
Zwier zei:
dus eens je AR's gesatureerd zijn, verander je simpelweg je AS? of is een rusttijd hier wel toe te passen?
Zwier zei:
Zie je nou wel.....ik had gewoon door moeten gaan,stoppen is nergens voor nodig.
bump
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Testo zei:Zie je nou wel.....ik had gewoon door moeten gaan,stoppen is nergens voor nodig.
maakt niet uit bro.. ik zal wel ff het goede voorbeeld geven
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als ik me niet vergis was het hele receptorenverhaal wat overdreven.. dat is al eens eerder besproken hier op het board als ik me niet vergis.. je receptoren raken niet zo gemakkelijk verzadigd, en als er STH in het spel is kweek je nieuwe spiercellen en dus nieuwe receptoren en zullen ze in theorie dus nooit verzadigen, correct?willlem zei:
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nou als je toch gevordert bent lijkt mij dit niet overdreven hoor... hehe..
... ik zal maar gelijk erbij vertellen dat het een grappje is.. anders zullen er vast weer mensen serieus op in gaan... hehe...
maar ik geloof best dat een pro als yates zo'n doseringen heeft gebruikt... vergeet niet dat shema wat een tijdje rond is gegaan van andreas munzer enz... en bovendien kan ik nu al mensen die 150mg d-bol p.d nemen en die zijn -90kg.... en dan vind ik mezelf met die 40mg p.d nog wel reuze meevallen....
grt eddy
... ik zal maar gelijk erbij vertellen dat het een grappje is.. anders zullen er vast weer mensen serieus op in gaan... hehe...maar ik geloof best dat een pro als yates zo'n doseringen heeft gebruikt... vergeet niet dat shema wat een tijdje rond is gegaan van andreas munzer enz... en bovendien kan ik nu al mensen die 150mg d-bol p.d nemen en die zijn -90kg.... en dan vind ik mezelf met die 40mg p.d nog wel reuze meevallen....
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Zwier zei:
Gebruiken ze hier geen HCG of hebben die amerikaanen mega ballen?
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hijs zeer zkr niet enige die grote hoeveelheden goeie shit vindt...
Duchaine's Theory of post mediated growth
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Dan Duchaine's Theory of post AR mediated growth
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from the VIPBOARD;
I am in the process of wrapping up a short 8 week bulker. I've always been interested in Duchaine's Theory of Post AR Mediated Growth and what I understand of it, that I tried it during this cycle. However, I'm not a reckless Duchaine. Much time and energy went into researching every possible aspect of this cycle theory. I am not afraid of being a guinea pig as long as I'm an informed guinea pig. For those of you who don't know, Duchaine's Theory states that at supraphysiological levels of AAS (especially test) another growth pathway opens. This is achieved by reaching levels of 4g-10g of AAS per week. Unfortunately the theory is somewhat incomplete. I say this because even though Duchaine tested this many times, he died before he had a chance to get his entire theory in writing. Information is very hard to find and the biochemistry behind the new pathway can't be found (at least I can't find it). IMO this is not what killed him although after doing it hundreds of times it certainly could have been a factor. I think what ultimately killed Duchaine is the fact that he was the world's best AAS/performance enhancing drug guinea pig. Finally things caught up with him and may he rest in peace.
Anyway, I decided to give this theory a simple test. After gathering all the research I possibly could, studying, talking with other bbers, etc, I began my experiment. My 8 week bulker was run as a standard pyramid with the middle four weeks at supraphysiological levels. I quickly ramped up to the dosages I took and then quickly came back down. I'm currently in week 8 preparing for PCT.
During the middle 4 weeks my dosages were as follows: 2.5g test enan/week, 1g sust/week, 800mg deca/week, 150mg finaprop EOD, and 50mg dbol ED. Approx 4.5-5g of AAS per week.
Results: IMO there is another growth pathway that exists at huge levels of AAS administration. My receptors had to have been supersaturated, yet my gains were incredible. For instance at week 5, I was up 35lbs. On week six I started T3 and will run it through week 9. Right now at week 8 I'm up 45lbs, and I'm continuing to grow albeit slower because of the fat burning of T3 and my down ramp.
Thoughts: I'm 100% positive that there is another growth pathway involved with high AAS administration. The short 4 week "super" cycle was hard on my body but not as hard as I expected it to be. My only side was an increase in my BP top number occasionally, which would not be uncommon under the load I was taking. I will shortly add all my ancies, supps, etc which I know helped keep everything together. I'm trying to get this all down so the bbing community has it. I wish I knew more about the biochemical pathways of the body. I'm certain the new pathway opens due to dose. I wish I could explain how the new pathway works. I wish I could explain what comprises the pathway. In the future, I would not be opposed to running this again with similar AAS (maybe a few changes) for a longer period of time. I'd like to run for 8 consecutive weeks at 6-7g per week with an up ramp and a down ramp. I'd like to run for 16 weeks. However I will not be doing another for quite sometime to let my body readjust. Currently I will still cycle, but not using Duchaine's theory (much lower dosages). I would like to wait at least 9-12 months before attempting this again. I will get blood work done this time every week. I also would like your guys'/gals' help. I need help finding a biochemical engineer or a biomedical engineer, etc who is familiar with AAS that would be interested in tracking progress during my next "super" cycle. I would like to find out and explain this new pathway.
Ancies/Supplements: During my entire cycle here are the ancies, supps, etc I'm taking (I will not include PCT because it will be pretty standard with the addition of cortisol suppression--Cymbalta (duloxetine hcl), Nolva, Femera, Remeron, Clomid, HCG, Proviron, tribus, and ZMA plus reg supps, etc): Femera 1.25mg EOD, Finasteride .5-1mg ED, Inj L-Carnitine 400mg ED, Inj Tripart 100mg ED, Inj B-Complex 38mg ED, Inj Adequan 20mg E7D, T3 25mcg weeks 6-9 with dosages adusted by BBT, Synth Gugglesterones one week (10), Cranberry juice, water, Crystal Light, Gatorade, Powerade, Glucosamine/Chondroitin 1000mg, MSM 1000mg, r-ALA 250mg 2x/day, ALCAR 450mg 2x/day, Green Tea Extract 450mg, ON Whey, Micronized Creatine, Glutamine, Glutamine peptides, Taurine 450mg 2x/day, L-Arginine 450mg 2x/day, Chromium Picolinate 200mcg, Milk Thistle 450mg, Liv-52 250mg 2x/day, Super Omega 3, 6, 9 EFAs 4000IU 2x/day, zinc 50mg 2x/day, multivit, vit c 500mg 2x/day, vit e 400IU, acidolopholous 6mg 2x/day, zanaflex 4-8mg, ultram 150mg, and HCG 250IU 2x per week.
If you have any questions feel free to ask. Also feel free to provide any and all types of feedback, etc. AND if you know of a biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc who would be interested or are a biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc I would be much obliged.
And here are the results:
I had to extend my downramp by four weeks because the body adjustment is just too much. So I ran my last four weeks with just test prop and tren ace.
Please DO NOT try this if you're a newbie or on your fifth cycle, etc, etc. This is my xxx cycle (lost count), and I went in very prepared, and I'm coming out very prepared. A great deal of research and time went into the planning and running of this cycle.
Must add bros that yes, I admit it, I did also run a little Cialis just to see what would happen during my peaks..........Jesus. All I can say is you better have multiple nymphos around at your beck and call because one nympho's (and I don't care how much of a nympho she is) accessible holes are eventually going to get tired. I'm dead serious. Either that or have a fun time punching holes in the wall or beating it to a bloody stump.
Results in total:
Gross weight gain: 45lbs
Net weight gain: 25lbs (this includes a four week T3 cycle within the bulk cycle)
I had the following tests run after PCT. All were normal with the exception of cortisol which was low (exactly where I wanted it).
Here are the tests:
Total Cortisol
DHEA Sulfate
IGF-1
IGFBP-3
Free T3
Free T4
TSH
Total Test
Free Test
Weakly Bound Test
Hemoglobin A1C
Fasting Insulin
CBC
CMP
Lipid Panel
GGT
PSA
Duchaine's Theory of post mediated growth
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dan Duchaine's Theory of post AR mediated growth
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
from the VIPBOARD;
I am in the process of wrapping up a short 8 week bulker. I've always been interested in Duchaine's Theory of Post AR Mediated Growth and what I understand of it, that I tried it during this cycle. However, I'm not a reckless Duchaine. Much time and energy went into researching every possible aspect of this cycle theory. I am not afraid of being a guinea pig as long as I'm an informed guinea pig. For those of you who don't know, Duchaine's Theory states that at supraphysiological levels of AAS (especially test) another growth pathway opens. This is achieved by reaching levels of 4g-10g of AAS per week. Unfortunately the theory is somewhat incomplete. I say this because even though Duchaine tested this many times, he died before he had a chance to get his entire theory in writing. Information is very hard to find and the biochemistry behind the new pathway can't be found (at least I can't find it). IMO this is not what killed him although after doing it hundreds of times it certainly could have been a factor. I think what ultimately killed Duchaine is the fact that he was the world's best AAS/performance enhancing drug guinea pig. Finally things caught up with him and may he rest in peace.
Anyway, I decided to give this theory a simple test. After gathering all the research I possibly could, studying, talking with other bbers, etc, I began my experiment. My 8 week bulker was run as a standard pyramid with the middle four weeks at supraphysiological levels. I quickly ramped up to the dosages I took and then quickly came back down. I'm currently in week 8 preparing for PCT.
During the middle 4 weeks my dosages were as follows: 2.5g test enan/week, 1g sust/week, 800mg deca/week, 150mg finaprop EOD, and 50mg dbol ED. Approx 4.5-5g of AAS per week.
Results: IMO there is another growth pathway that exists at huge levels of AAS administration. My receptors had to have been supersaturated, yet my gains were incredible. For instance at week 5, I was up 35lbs. On week six I started T3 and will run it through week 9. Right now at week 8 I'm up 45lbs, and I'm continuing to grow albeit slower because of the fat burning of T3 and my down ramp.
Thoughts: I'm 100% positive that there is another growth pathway involved with high AAS administration. The short 4 week "super" cycle was hard on my body but not as hard as I expected it to be. My only side was an increase in my BP top number occasionally, which would not be uncommon under the load I was taking. I will shortly add all my ancies, supps, etc which I know helped keep everything together. I'm trying to get this all down so the bbing community has it. I wish I knew more about the biochemical pathways of the body. I'm certain the new pathway opens due to dose. I wish I could explain how the new pathway works. I wish I could explain what comprises the pathway. In the future, I would not be opposed to running this again with similar AAS (maybe a few changes) for a longer period of time. I'd like to run for 8 consecutive weeks at 6-7g per week with an up ramp and a down ramp. I'd like to run for 16 weeks. However I will not be doing another for quite sometime to let my body readjust. Currently I will still cycle, but not using Duchaine's theory (much lower dosages). I would like to wait at least 9-12 months before attempting this again. I will get blood work done this time every week. I also would like your guys'/gals' help. I need help finding a biochemical engineer or a biomedical engineer, etc who is familiar with AAS that would be interested in tracking progress during my next "super" cycle. I would like to find out and explain this new pathway.
Ancies/Supplements: During my entire cycle here are the ancies, supps, etc I'm taking (I will not include PCT because it will be pretty standard with the addition of cortisol suppression--Cymbalta (duloxetine hcl), Nolva, Femera, Remeron, Clomid, HCG, Proviron, tribus, and ZMA plus reg supps, etc): Femera 1.25mg EOD, Finasteride .5-1mg ED, Inj L-Carnitine 400mg ED, Inj Tripart 100mg ED, Inj B-Complex 38mg ED, Inj Adequan 20mg E7D, T3 25mcg weeks 6-9 with dosages adusted by BBT, Synth Gugglesterones one week (10), Cranberry juice, water, Crystal Light, Gatorade, Powerade, Glucosamine/Chondroitin 1000mg, MSM 1000mg, r-ALA 250mg 2x/day, ALCAR 450mg 2x/day, Green Tea Extract 450mg, ON Whey, Micronized Creatine, Glutamine, Glutamine peptides, Taurine 450mg 2x/day, L-Arginine 450mg 2x/day, Chromium Picolinate 200mcg, Milk Thistle 450mg, Liv-52 250mg 2x/day, Super Omega 3, 6, 9 EFAs 4000IU 2x/day, zinc 50mg 2x/day, multivit, vit c 500mg 2x/day, vit e 400IU, acidolopholous 6mg 2x/day, zanaflex 4-8mg, ultram 150mg, and HCG 250IU 2x per week.
If you have any questions feel free to ask. Also feel free to provide any and all types of feedback, etc. AND if you know of a biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc who would be interested or are a biochemist, biomedical engineer, etc I would be much obliged.
And here are the results:
I had to extend my downramp by four weeks because the body adjustment is just too much. So I ran my last four weeks with just test prop and tren ace.
Please DO NOT try this if you're a newbie or on your fifth cycle, etc, etc. This is my xxx cycle (lost count), and I went in very prepared, and I'm coming out very prepared. A great deal of research and time went into the planning and running of this cycle.
Must add bros that yes, I admit it, I did also run a little Cialis just to see what would happen during my peaks..........Jesus. All I can say is you better have multiple nymphos around at your beck and call because one nympho's (and I don't care how much of a nympho she is) accessible holes are eventually going to get tired. I'm dead serious. Either that or have a fun time punching holes in the wall or beating it to a bloody stump.
Results in total:
Gross weight gain: 45lbs
Net weight gain: 25lbs (this includes a four week T3 cycle within the bulk cycle)
I had the following tests run after PCT. All were normal with the exception of cortisol which was low (exactly where I wanted it).
Here are the tests:
Total Cortisol
DHEA Sulfate
IGF-1
IGFBP-3
Free T3
Free T4
TSH
Total Test
Free Test
Weakly Bound Test
Hemoglobin A1C
Fasting Insulin
CBC
CMP
Lipid Panel
GGT
PSA
Roy
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Ik zei niet 1 man, ik zei 1 studieDr. Worf zei:
Maar idd, orals maken je lever niet zomaar kapot dus hoef je niemand op die manier bang te maken, tenzij je al leverproblemen van jezelf hebt of echt gaat overdrijven met de dosis en duur, of dingen als alcoholische dranken ed gaat drinken tijdens je kuur. Maar neem het van mij aan 400 mg drol /dag voor een week is een leverkiller in de letterlijke zin van het woord.
Big_T zei:Ik zei niet 1 man, ik zei 1 studie
Maar idd, orals maken je lever niet zomaar kapot dus hoef je niemand op die manier bang te maken, tenzij je al leverproblemen van jezelf hebt of echt gaat overdrijven met de dosis en duur, of dingen als alcoholische dranken ed gaat drinken tijdens je kuur. Maar neem het van mij aan 400 mg drol /dag voor een week is een leverkiller in de letterlijke zin van het woord.
En dat ben ik ook 100% met je eens!
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