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de bezetting: illegaal dus recht op verzet, ook volgens Westerlingen

Ja maar dit hele offensief was ingezet omdat de palestijnen met zelfgemaakte raketten op Israel schoten.. Je kunt het ze ook niet verwijten dat er dan sancties tegen de palestijnen worden genomen..
 
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Ja maar dit hele offensief was ingezet omdat de palestijnen met zelfgemaakte raketten op Israel schoten.. Je kunt het ze ook niet verwijten dat er dan sancties tegen de palestijnen worden genomen..

Dat kan je echt niet menen?


er mogen geen sancties genomen worden want een bezet volk heeft het recht zich te verzetten tegen zijn bezetter.
Tevens, als er acties ondernomen worden dienen deze te gebeuren tegen de daders en niet tegen onschuldige burgers!

Er zijn constant collectieve straffen. heb je de foto's gezien van Beit Hanoun? Er staat geen huis meer recht. Ze hebben de rioleringen en de afateringen gebombardeerd waardoor al het rioolwater over de straten loopt. Er is geen electriciteit en water meer. De ze morgen hebben ze 20 mensne vermoord en het enige wat je kan zeggen is dat ze het recht hebben zich te verdeddiegn?

De zelfgemaakte raketjes die men afvuurtt hebben tot op heden nog geen enkel slachtoffer gemaakt omdat ze met moeite 1 km ver vliegen. Ze hebben tevens geen explosieve kracht. En wat doet ISrael? Het hele dorp vernken, wegtrekken als het hele dorp om zeep is en dan nog eve snel een vergissinkje plaatsen.
Laten we het hele Palestijnse volk maar uitroeien en straffen omdat ze zich verzetten tegen hun uitroeiing!
 
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willen jullie de Isrealische slachtoffers zien? zal ik ze even posten:

grotendeels soldaten die in de Bezette gebieden opereerden en die volgen s het verdrag van Geneve aangevallen worden uit verzet; Dit verdrag stelt dat een bezet volk geweld mag gebruiken tegen soldaten die hen bezetten.
Kijk eens naar die lijst. De meesten zijn soldaten; Er zijn ook burgers bij, maar als je naar de datum kijkt dan zie je dat ze het gevolg waren na een aanval op Gaza.
De cijfers zijn duidelijk. 15 000 Palestijnse burgers dood in 5 jaar.
De Israelische site ter nagedachtenis van de slachtoffers van het Palestijn "terorisme" zegt dat er een aantal honderden doden zijn gevallen aan Israelsiche zijde, vooral militairen. (waaronder kolonisten die dus ook mogen aangepakt worden volgens het verdrag van Geneve.) een ware schande en de wereld is medeschuldig omdat ze hun mond houden!

zag je de beelden deze namiddag toen de Palestijnen kwaad de straat opkwamen? Jongeren gooiden met steentjes en de militairen schoten met scherp terug. Een militair pakte een Palestijnse vlag die was gepland op Palestijns gebied; Dat zegt al genoeg.

NOVEMBER

IDF soldier killed in fierce Beit Hanun firefight
SEPTEMBER

IDF tracker killed during operation in central Gaza Strip
AUGUST

Soldier killed in minefield accident in southern Lebanon
Soldier killed in Jordan Valley attack
Lebanon 2: A heavy toll - 43 civilians and 116 IDF soldiers
Officer killed in Baalbek raid
Nine soldiers were killed in final day of fighting
25 soldiers killed in Lebanon
UPDATE: Son of anti-war author Grossman dies in battle
Reservist slain as fierce fighting rages on in Lebanon
Katyusha kills mother and son
15 soldiers killed in the bloodiest day of fighting
Two Paratroopers killed in gun battle in Bint Jbail
UPDATE: Fallen comrades: the faces behind the names
Three soldiers killed in southern Lebanon
3 IDF soldiers killed, five wounded in heavy fighting near Bint Jbail
12 reserve soldiers killed by rockets
UPDATE: The 12 faces behind the names


Three killed in Haifa rocket attack
UPDATE: Jews, Arabs mourn their dead together in Haifa


24 Israelis killed in three days
UPDATE: 8 civilians, 4 soldiers killed in bloodiest day of war
UPDATE: Man, daughter buried side by side in Acre
UPDATE: Sgt. Or Shahar, 20, killed in Lebanon
UPDATE: Two reserve soldiers were killed


IDF soldier killed in battle with Hizbullah in Aita a-Sha’ab
Rocket kills American oleh at Kibbutz Sa’ar
3 soldiers killed in Hizbullah ambush
JULY

Aksa Brigades claim murder of Israeli
8 soldiers killed in Battle of Bint Jbail. Paratrooper slain in separate firefight
2 soldiers, 2 pilots killed
Two killed, more than 14 hurt, as Katyushas hit Haifa
Israel laid four soldiers and one pilot to rest
UPDATE: Fifth Egoz soldier killed in Lebanon came to Israel alone from Ukraine
UPDATE: A father’s eulogy for a slain soldier
Two soldiers killed in clash with Hizbullah inside Lebanon
UPDATE: The little prince of Platoon Aleph
2 children killed as rockets hit Nazareth
Rocket kills father running for shelter
Soldier killed while tracking down bomber in Nablus
Family of killed railway worker believes government is doing the right thing
Grandmother and grandson killed: Martial law in North as rockets hit Tiberias
Sailor killed, three missing as Hizbullah, helped by Iran, fires missile at Israeli ship
UPDATE: Sailors’ bodies identified after warship strike
2 Israelis killed in barrage on North
8 killed on the Northern border. Families reel from news of deaths
UPDATE: The stories behind the faces


Soldier killed. 3 abandoned settlements retaken
JUNE

Asheri shot in head Sunday immediately after abduction
IDF poised for Gaza offensive after 2 soldiers killed
APRIL

A final kiss good-bye
UPDATE: American teen wounded in Tel Aviv bombing dies of wounds
MARCH

Kedumim deaths may have prevented greater tragedy
Father of two killed in Samaria shooting
FEBRUARY

Palestinian kills mother of three in Petah Tikva


DECEMBER

Bomber kills IDF officer, two Palestinians
Father of five killed in Hebron Hills ambush
Soldier killed at capital checkpoint
Suicide attack kills five outside mall; Islamic Jihad claims responsibility
UPDATE: Guard dies preventing greater carnage
NOVEMBER

IDF soldier killed during arrest of Islamic Jihad member
OCTOBER

5 dead in Hadera market suicide bombing
UPDATE: Hadera death toll rises to 6

3 dead, 5 wounded in shooting attacks
SEPTEMBER

Hamas kidnaps, brutally murders J’lem candy maker
JULY

2 killed, 3 wounded in attack near Kfar Darom
Dana Galkovitch, 22, killed by Kassam
Three killed in suicide bombing at Netanya mall
UPDATE: Netanya bombing death toll rises to 5
JUNE

Soldier killed, 3 wounded in clashes with Hizbullah
Teenager dies of wounds sustained in Beit Hagai attack
Teen slain, 4 wounded in terror attack
Islamic Jihad gunmen kill Israeli driving to work
IDF soldier killed, 2 wounded in Philadelphi shooting attack
MAY

Paratrooper killed in shootout
FEBRUARY

Israel weighs Syria retaliation for TA attack
JANUARY

Sderot teenager succumbs to wounds from Kassam attack
Shin Bet back in the line of fire
Six Israelis killed in attack at Karni
Father of five killed in Morag roadside bombing
Erez bombing victim dies 10 days after attack
Soldier killed, four wounded in roadside shootings


DECEMBER

Security guard slain in terror shooting
Terror suspected in moshav murder
Thai worker killed in mortar attack on Gush Katif settlement
Five soldiers killed in Gaza; Israel vows harsh response
Soldier killed, 4 wounded in explosion near Karni Crossing
NOVEMBER

Captain Moshe Taranto killed in Rafah arms tunnel collapse
Suicide bomber kills three at Tel Aviv’s Carmel Market
OCTOBER

Soldier killed in Gaza mortar attack
Soldier slain in Gaza
Soldier killed in shooting attack in the West Bank
IDF concludes Sinai rescue operation — 13 Israelis among 32 bombing victims
SEPTEMBER

Civilian, two soldiers gunned down in Gaza
Two toddlers killed in rocket attack
Mortar kills woman in Neveh Dekalim
3 soldiers killed as terrorists infiltrate IDF post in Morag
Two killed in Jerusalem bombing
16 killed in double Beersheba bombing
AUGUST

PA policeman kills Itamar father of seven
JULY

One dead as bomb ends Gush Dan lull
IDF commando killed in clashes with PFLP in Nablus
Israeli killed in Fatah shooting laid to rest
JUNE

Sderot buries its dead
Soldier killed in tunnel blast laid to rest
MAY

Paratrooper captain killed in Nablus
2 soldiers killed; IDF leaves Rafah
Five soldiers killed in 2nd attack on APC in Gaza
Six soldiers killed in Gaza mine blast
Border tense after Hizbullah kills soldier
Mother, 4 daughters, killed in Gaza shooting attack
APRIL

Yaniv Mashiach is Israel’s 21,782nd war-fatality
Suicide bomber kills 1, wounds 3 at Erez
Terrorist kills Avnei Hefetz man, wounds daughter
MARCH

IAF strikes Gaza in retaliation for Ashdod Port attacks
FEBRUARY

Reservist killed in Erez gunfight
Young couple slain in roadside shooting
Jerusalem suicide bomber kills eight
JANUARY

Eleven killed, 50 hurt in suicide bus bombing
Slain soldier loved his job
Suicide attack at Erez Crossing kills four
Father of five slain by terrorists in shooting attack


DECEMBER

PFLP suicide bomber kills 4
Two Officers, two friends, died side by side
NOVEMBER

Warnings preceded murders at fence
Female tourist dies in Eilat-Aqaba attack
9th Tzrifin victim dies
Two soldiers killed by gunman
OCTOBER

Three Netzarim victims mourned
Adi, Sarit and Alon are no more
Three IDF soldiers killed in Fatah ambush
21st victim of Haifa attack laid to rest
Haifa bombing claims 20th victim
Soldier killed by Hizbullah fire
19 killed in Haifa suicide bombing
SEPTEMBER

Baby killed in Rosh Hashana attack
Soldier, four gunmen killed in Hebron, Gaza
Explosion destroys Jerusalem coffee shop; at least 6 killed
Eight soldiers killed in suicide bombing at Tzrifin army base
Naval commando killed in Nablus
Soldier killed in Jenin ambush
AUGUST

22nd victim of Jerusalem bus bombing dies
Fatah cell murders Homesh man. Wounded wife gives birth in seventh month
20 dead, including 6 children, in Jerusalem terror bus bomb
Teenager killed in Hizbullah attack on Shlomo
Commando killed in battle at Hamas bomb factory
JULY

Missing soldier found murdered
Terrorist kills one, wounds one in TA
'Why was this holy woman taken?'
JUNE

Naval commando killed in crackdown on Hamas
Bezeq worker shot dead by 15-year-old terrorist
Park Hotel terror attack claims another victim
Eli man slain in ambush day after son's wedding
Moshav grocer slain by suicide bomber
Murder of seven-year-old girl wracks family, community
Soldier killed, 2 wounded in Fatah attacks
Terrorists slay Netanya man
Suicide bomber kills 16 in Jerusalem. Hamas terrorist disguised as haredi
Five soldiers killed in Gaza, Hebron. Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad claim joint attack
MAY

3 dead in shopping mall as Israel sustains wave of bombings
Seven killed in Jerusalem bus bombing
Kiryat Arba couple killed by Hebron suicide bomber
Terrorists kill Givat Ze'ev man on way to work near Ofra
Father murdered, daughter, 6, hurt in West Bank attack
APRIL

Terror attack in Tel Aviv, 3 dead, 50 wounded
One dead, 14 hurt in central Israel suicide blast
IDF photographer, five Palestinians killed in Rafah
Canadian-born IDF officer laid to rest
Soldier, 2 civilians killed in attacks
Terrorists kill two soldiers, wound nine at Jordan Valley army base
MARCH

Haifa bus bomber kills 15, wounds dozens
Couple slain in Kiryat Arba
After soldier killed, IDF reinforces Hebron
Paratrooper killed in sweep of Palestinian village
Reservist, two leading Hamas terrorists killed in clashes
Israeli motorist slain near Jenin
FEBRUARY

IDF nabs would-be suicide bomber
IDF officer killed by sniper fire in Bethlehem
'You took the strong from us'
Soldier shot dead by sniper in Gush Katif
JANUARY

Elderly man stoned to death in Jordan Valley
Two bombers kill 22 in Tel Aviv. Casualties include many foreign workers
Chinese woman wounded in TA bombing dies
Terrorist infiltrators kill two, wound six. Moshavnik murdered in shooting attack near Afula
Soldier slain on Egyptian border
Terrorists kill father of 5 at Shabbat dinner
Three soldiers slain in Hebron hills


JANUARY

Four soldiers killed in border clash. Sharon pledges response to terror acts
Soldier killed following terrorist's death. Al-Aksa Brigade claims shooting near Tulkarm, says cease-fire is over
Two murdered in terror attacks
Gunmen kill Israeli Arab
Six killed in Hadera terror attack. Terrorist slain after spraying bullets at bar mitzva guests
Two die from Tuesday attack of their wounds
Victim of blast died pursuing passion for painting
FEBRUARY

Three killed in Jordan Valley attack. Mother, daughter, soldier slain in terrorist infiltration at Hamra
Teen terror cell kills woman in Jerusalem park. Assailant drops dead after chase
Elderly woman slain in ambush
Two women soldiers slain in Beersheba. Two terrorists shot dead at entrance to IDF base
Two crewmen from ill-fated tank laid to rest
Gunmen kill soldier at IDF roadblock
Two teens killed by mall suicide bomber. 29 wounded, 6 seriously, in Karnei Shomron attack. Palestinians fire Kassam rockets. IAF bombs PA posts in Jabaliya. Islamic Jihad leader killed
Terrorists kill four in two attacks. 5 p.m.- Policeman slain in suicide bombing near Ma'ale Adumim. 7 p.m. - Two soldiers, woman murdered, three wounded in Gush Katif
Six soldiers killed at roadblock. Gunmen burst into outpost near Ramallah, shoot at close range then escape unharmed
Man killed in drive-by shooting
Two killed in attack near Nokdim. Wounded woman delivers healthy baby after being shot
Policewoman dies of wounds from shooting in Jerusalem
16-year-old Karnei Shomron suicide bombing victim dies
Palestinian worker kills boss in Atarot
Soldier, 13 Palestinians killed in clashes. IDF enters Balata, Jenin camps; US urges restraint
MARCH

Proud brother remembers soldier killed in Jenin
Bomber kills eleven in Jerusalem. Two babies among dead, 57 wounded in Beit Yisrael attack
25 minutes, 25 bullets, 10 dead
10th capital bombing victim dies
'For how long must we suffer?' 2 Kassam rockets hit Sderot. 5 killed in 3 separate attacks. Army Strikes PA after day of terror
Efrat woman killed in shooting
IDF launches massive strike against Gaza. Two soldiers killed during anti-terror operations
Terrorist kills five in Atzmona. Hamas claims midnight Gaza attack
IDF captures 600 in Tulkarm sweep. More than 50 Palestinians and one soldier killed
Young lives lost in a Moment of terror
Soldier killed by terrorist posing as worker
Terrorists slay 6 in Galilee attack. Area residents confined to homes
Man killed, 9 wounded by terrorists
Soldier, Force 17 official killed in Ramallah
3 soldiers killed as tank hits mine. Gaza roadside attack is second in a month
Terrorist kills young woman in Kfar Saba
Hamas gunmen kill soldier, wound three
Seven killed in Wadi Ara bus bombing. Islamic Jihad takes credit. Cease-fire talks move ahead. Sharon, Peres blast Arafat
Jerusalem couple, soldier slain in King George blast
Gunman fires at bus, kills teacher
TIPH won't blame Palestinians for shooting deaths
Netanya Pessah massacre toll rises to 29
Terrorist kills 4 in Eilon Moreh
IDF invades Arafat's Ramallah compound
Female suicide bomber kills 2 at capital supermarket
Eilon Moreh, Netzarim terror victims laid to rest
Border policeman killed thwarting terror attack
15 killed in Haifa restaurant bombing. Husband, wife, child among victims
APRIL

Hero policeman laid to rest
Palestinian sniper kills reservist near Har Homa
Officer killed in Jenin as army expands operation against terror
3 soldiers killed in fighting
Soldiers, civilians killed in battle and terror attacks laid to rest
Three soldiers killed in Jenin. IDF fires LAW rocket at Arafat's HQ
IDF withdrawing from Kalkilya and Tulkarm. Two soldiers killed in Jenin
Ambushed in Jenin. 15 soldiers slain
8 killed in Yagur bus bombing. Bus driver: Terrorist wore IDF fatigues
6 killed, 84 wounded in Jerusalem bombing
Gunman kills border policeman at Erez
Naval commando, two gunmen killed
Peduel mourns loss of devoted rabbi
Terrorists murder four in Adora
MAY

An admirable man
At least 16 killed in Rishon attack
Gush Katif farmer murdered by Palestinian laborer
Netanya bombing kills 3, wounds 50
2 killed, 40 wounded by suicide bomber in Rishon Lezion
IDF reenters Bethlehem. Soldier killed in Tulkarm gun battle
Petah Tikva terror victims to be buried today
3 teens killed at Itamar yeshiva. Man slain on Ramallah bypass road
JUNE

Suicide bomber kills 17 near Megiddo
Youth killed by terrorist sniper
Terrorists kill three in Karmei Tzur infiltration
A funeral instead of graduation
Soldiers killed in Dugit attack are laid to rest
19 killed in Jerusalem bus bombing
6 killed in north Jerusalem attack
4 family members slain in Itamar infiltration
Officer dies of wounds from Gaza Strip attack
JULY

Jerusalem soldier killed in Rafah
7 dead in attack on Emmanuel bus. Three generations of one family among the victims
Officer killed by Emmanuel terrorists buried
5 killed in Tisha Be'av terror attack. Dozens hurt as two suicide bombers strike near old Tel Aviv bus station
Four killed in Fatah ambushes near Hebron. Settlement leaders call for IDF to expel Arabs from Yata
Brothers killed delivering fuel to Palestinians
8 killed, 86 wounded in Hebrew U. attack. Hamas claims responsibility; says it 'avenged Shehadeh'
AUGUST

Israeli lynched outside Tulkarm. A-G approves deportations to Gaza
'This hasn't happened here since 1948'
Eli couple killed in drive-by shooting
Wife slain as husband came to rescue her
Ninth HU bombing victim buried
Soldier slain by Gaza sniper
SEPTEMBER

Father of 4 slain on Samaria road
Body of Ma'aleh Adumim man found in garbage dump
Suicide bomber kills policeman at Umm el-Fahm junction
Six victims of Tel Aviv suicide bombing buried
Father killed, 3 sons wounded in Hebron attack
Naval commando officer killed near Tulkarm
Hundreds mourn Ari Weiss
OCTOBER

Modi'in man dies of wounds suffered in terrorist ambush
Bomber kills one, wounds 30 near Bar-Ilan U.
14 dead, 65 wounded in bus bombing. No wide-scale retaliation expected
Nation buries three soldiers killed in Ariel suicide bombing
Aksa Martyrs Brigades claims responsibility for Hermesh murders. Hermesh teenage terror victims buried
NOVEMBER

Two Argentinean immigrants died in Kfar Saba attack
Palestinian worker murders two in Gaza
Soldier slain in Gaza
Terrorist kills 5 including mother, two young sons
12 killed in Hebron Shabbat eve ambush
Mother of 7 killed in attack
11 die in Jerusalem bus bombing. Grandmother, grandson, mother, son among dead
Navy intercepts explosives-packed Palestinian boat. IDF tracker killed by Hamas leading patrol in Gaza
3 Israelis, 9 Kenyans killed in Mombasa hotel bombing
6 killed in Beit She'an terror attack
DECEMBER

Two soldiers killed in Hebron. Jewish community condemns government inaction after last attack
IDF divides Gaza in 3 after murder of rabbi
Four slain, 10 wounded in attack on Otniel yeshiva


JANUARY

Gush Katif man feared lynched
Youth lured to death near Ramallah
Taba talks halted after 2 Israelis murdered. Hamas claims responsibility
Jerusalem man shot dead. Fatah claims responsibility for ambush near Atarot
Ofra man killed in drive-by shooting
FEBRUARY

Two Israelis gunned down
Palestinian sniper kills IDF soldier in Gaza
Gush Etzion man shot dead on tunnel road
Eight killed in bus terror attack. Palestinian driver from Gaza rams into crowd waiting at bus stop near Holon
Three shot in attack near Atarot
MARCH

One dies in terrorist taxi bomb. Hamas man also suspected of Wednesday's Tel Aviv blast
Suicide bomber kills 3 in Netanya. Security forces braced for further attempts
Baruch Cohen shot on way to work
Baby murdered in Hebron attack. IDF orders residents to leave Abu Sneneh
Raids come after two teens killed in suicide bombing
APRIL

2 soldiers killed by Palestinian sniper fire
Prostitute found murdered near Haifa Port
Beit Shemesh man murdered near Ramallah
Physician killed in terror blast. Suicide bomber leaves 50 wounded
GSS involved in murder investigation
Netanya man killed in drive-by shooting
MAY

'How can I say kaddish alone?' Assaf Hershkovitz killed in terror ambush three months after father
Guard killed by terrorists at isolated farm near Itamar
Terrorists murder teens near Tekoa. Ssharon demands PA halt terror
Israel to compensate families of slain Romanians
Israeli woman killed in ambush. Father also wounded in terrorist shooting near Ma'aleh Michmash
Arafat: Decisive battle on for Palestine. Five killed by suicide bomber at Netanya mall
Israeli killed in shooting near Ariel. Attack comes one day after IDF cease-fire
Body of missing contractor found near Tulkarm
Efrat women killed on way to funeral. Gilad Zar, 40, murdered in morning; Sarah Blaustein, 53, Esther Alvan, 20, gunned down later on tunnel road
Fourth terror killing this week. Mevo Dotan man hit in drive-by shooting
JUNE

21 dead, more than 90 wounded by suicide bomber
Sharon at baby's funeral: 'I came here to cry with you'
Monk's shooting shocks church
Palestinian collaborator kills IDF operator
Two Israelis slain by terrorists. Settlers: Sharon is responsible
Second Homesh man murdered. Settlers: We are sitting ducks
2 soldiers killed in Gaza; Sharon off to US. PM: Our patience is running out
Young mother killed by terrorists
JULY

Police hunting two terrorists in shepherd's slaying
Israeli slain on Green Line
New terror alert issued. IDF officer killed in bombing
Ambushes near Kiryat Arba leave 2 dead
Suicide bomber kills two soldiers in Binyamina attack
Fatah group claims slaying of Jerusalem youth. Police believe victim was abducted to Ramallah
Teenager killed in drive-by shooting. Gunmen fire on family car outside capital
AUGUST

Israeli woman killed in road ambush, 5 hurt. Rafah police station hit in retaliation for mortar attacks in Gaza
Israeli shot dead in Jordan. Two Arab groups claim responsibility for murder of Ra'anana businessman
Jordan Valley man slain in drive-by shooting
Palestinian 'collaborator' shot, killed
15 killed in Jerusalem suicide bombing. Cabinet deliberates retaliation for attack
Terrorists kill teenage girl on Mount Gilboa
Palestinians infiltrate IDF base, kill 3. DFLP gunman surprise soldiers in Gaza outpost; tanks move on Rafah
Couple shot dead in ambush, children lighly hurt
Merchant gunned down near Tulkarm
A helper and friend
Ashdod truck driver killed near Nablus
Modi'in man slain in Palestinian restaurant
SEPTEMBER

Officer killed, 2nd hurt in ambush. Shots fired at capital's Pisgat Ze'ev
Five killed as terror hits nationwide. First Israeli Arab suicide bomber strikes at Nahariya train station
Gunmen kill two border policemen
Woman slain in drive-by shooting
Soldier killed in Ramallah incursion
Cabinet reviews cease-fire after drive-by murder. Mother of three shot near Tekoa
Woman slain in Jordan Valley attack
OCTOBER

Elei Sinai buries a daughter, cancels anniversary celebrations
Three killed, 16 hurt in Afula terror attack
Violence continues despite Arafat's warning to factions
Kibbutz man dies confronting bomber
Terrorists murder Mevo Dotan woman in roadside ambush
Rehavam Ze'evi assasinated. PFLP claims responsibility for Jerusalem hotel shooting
Hiker killed in terror ambush. Tanzim fugitive dies in Bethlehem blast; shots, mortars fired on Gilo
Five killed in two terror attacks. PA police kill four in Hadera; IDF leaves two West Bank cities
NOVEMBER

Fatah claims killing of soldier
Two teens killed in bus attack. Gunman hits Jerusalem bus at rush hour, wounds dozens
Soldier killed near Nablus. Three Palestinians shot dead in ensuing clash
One killed, two wounded in terror attack inside Green Line
Reservist killed in mortar attack laid to rest
Three killed in terror attacks. Afula rampage kills 2, wounds more than 40
Gush Katif woman dies in ambush
Three Israelis killed in bus bombing. Soldier shot dead at roadblock
DECEMBER

Terrorists strike in Jerusalem center. 11 dead, 160 wounded in Kikar Zion suicide attacks
Fifteen killed in Haifa suicide bus bombing
Terror attack in Emmanuel kills 11. Arafat orders Hamas, Islamic Jihad offices closed
Reservist killed in Jordan border attack. Two terrorists slain


SEPTEMBER

Soldier died of a roadside bomb exploded near a Givati Brigade patrol at the Netzarim junction.
Border policeman murdered by Palestinian counterpart
OCTOBER

Border policeman dies of wounds after Palestinians prevent his evacuation
Worst civil disturbances since 1948. Barak blames Arafat, 15 die in Israel
Murdered Joseph's Tomb teacher to be buried tomorrow
Israel launches reprisal attacks on PA. 2 soldiers lynched in Ramallah
'Foul-up' over tour ends in gun battle. Rabbi, Palestinian killed in clash at Mt. Ebal, near Nablus
Five rioters killed in day of violence
Gunships hit PA after J'lem murders. Terrorists kill two Israelis in separate attacks
NOVEMBER

Three soldiers killed in gun battles
Jerusalem car bomb kills two. Barak holds PA responsible
Israel closes Rafah crossing after terror murder
2 soldiers, 10 Arabs killed. Clashes intensify as PM heads to US
4 Israelis killed in roadside attacks. Highest daily Jewish death toll since riots began; 3 Arabs die
PA pledges probe after soldier killed. Attack comes despite Arafat's 'don't shoot' order; IDF threatens retaliation
2 killed, 9 hurt in school-bus bombing in Gaza
Palestinian sniper kills youth, 18, in Gush Katif
Car bombing kills two in Hadera. Baby among more than 50 wounded
Two soldiers killed in Gaza. Palestinians ordered out of joint offices
2 Israelis, 9 Palestinians die in clashes
DECEMBER

3 Israelis, 6 Palestinians killed
Israeli driver killed in ambush near Givat Ze'ev
2 security men killed, 2 wounded in Gaza roadside-bomb ambush
Kahane, wife killed by terrorists
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De Amerikaanse overheid heeft nog niet gereageerd over de aanval op Beit Hanoun.

Hebben jullie gehoord wat de vrouwelijke Israelische kolonel (in burgerkostumm of zachtaardig over te komen) zei:

Ja, het is ongelukkig,..., maar zo'n dingen gebeuren.

Er zal een onerzoekje volgen, zal een tijdje duren, de wereld zal verdergaan en het incident vergeten, het onderzoek zal zonder resultaat geclasserd worden en in de Veiligheidsraad zal Amerika elke resolutie tegen Israel tegenhouden met een veto.
Een maandje later begint alles opnieuw, maar nu zullen er terug meer aanslagen gebeuren (ja zag je die jongemand wiens 5 broers dood zijn? Als je alles kwijt bent door een "vergissinkje, zal je dan geen wapens opnemen?).
De aanslagen zullen toenemen en ISrael zal terug zwaar toeslaan. Maar nu zal de wereld zeggen dat Israel het recht heeft zich te verdedigen. En terug zullen de Palestijnen de boosdoeners zijn want iedereen is de vergissinkjes van Israel vergeten. En zo gebeurt het al 50 jaar.

het ergste van alles is dat men de mensen lat geloven dat de Kassam rakketten van de Palestijnen naar onschuldige Israelische burgers en dorpen wordt geschoten . dat klopt niet. De Kassam raketten werden afgevuurd naar ILLEGALE BEZETTINGEN TEN NOORDEN VAN GAZA. DEZE ILLEGALE BEZETTINGEN MOGEN DOOR GEWELD VERDREVEN WORDEN VOLGEN S HET VERDRAG VAN GENEVE;
Het wordt dus eens tijd dat we de puntjes op de i zetten.

MOSAIC World News from the Middle East November 3, 2006 - Google Video
 
Ik geef je gelijk dat de Israeliers het weer erg rigoreus aanpakken maarja de aanvallen gaan gewoon door en dan geld het recht van de sterkste. Wie niet sterk is moet slim zijn en het is niet slim om raketten te blijven afvuren terwijl er om dezelfde reden andere palestijnen worden geelimineerd.

Ik kan geen kant kiezen voor de Palestijnen, alleen al als je ziet wat de Shahada inhoud ik vind het ronduit walgelijk. Hoe slecht ben je als je je kinderen vanaf de geboorte aanspoort om zelfmoordaanslagen te plegen. Hieronder een filmpje van twee meisjes van 11 die al weten dat ze als martelaren willen sterven voor Allah.

http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Walla_7.asx


"Ask for death" is the message that the Palestinian Authority [PA] has been conveying to its children since the start of violence in October 2000. In June 2002, two articulate 11-year-old girls were interviewed in the studio of official Palestinian Authority TV. Among other topics, they spoke of their personal yearning to achieve death through Shahada – Death for Allah – and of a similar desire they said exists in "every Palestinian child." It is striking that their desire for death was expressed as a personal goal, not related to the conflict with Israel. Having been convinced that dying for Allah is preferable to life, their goal in living is not to experience a good life, but to achieve the proper death – Shahada.

During the more than two and a half years of armed conflict, the Palestinian Authority [PA] has been making a paramount effort to convince their own children that there is no greater achievement than to die for Allah in battle, known as Shahada. This has been done via the many mediums at its disposal, including children’s TV broadcasting, the educational system, cultural programs, directives from political and religious leaders and even encouragement from within the family.

In November 2000, a mere six weeks after the start of violence, Palestinian Media Watch published a report documenting the first indications that this was a PA goal. The official PA daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, glorified children who were killed in confrontations and described their deaths as personal achievements. It wrote of a 14-year-old: "He responded to the call of Allah and achieved the Shahada he yearned…. He reached the highest levels with Allah…" The paper reported with admiration that the dead boy’s "classmates swore they would continue on the path of Shahada…" [PA official daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, November 9, 2000] Other children were said to have been disappointed at having merely been injured and not killed. An injured 13-year-old: "My goal is not to be injured, rather something loftier: Shahada." [PA official daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, November 8, 2000] Since then, Palestinian Media Watch has published numerous reports on the progress of this PA indoctrination of its children and on the varying methods the PA employs to portray death for Allah to its children, not only as an ideal, but, as something that is expected of them.

The Results of the Indoctrination
In recent months the success of the PA indoctrination efforts are apparent. The 11-year olds quoted above defining death for Allah as their goal in life and public opinion polls confirm the widespread acceptance of this sentiment. These polls show 80% of Palestinian children seek death as Shahids.

Still more grave are the cases in which 14 year-olds have fulfilled this PA directive, writing farewell letters to their parents proudly describing their desire to be Shahids, and embarking on suicide terrorist missions hoping to die. It must be emphasized: the children’s farewell letters have included phrases identical to phrases from the propaganda films produced by the PA, such as "Mother, don’t cry for me," showing a direct link between the PA propaganda and the children’s drive for heroic death.
 
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Ik geef je gelijk dat de Israeliers het weer erg rigoreus aanpakken maarja de aanvallen gaan gewoon door en dan geld het recht van de sterkste. Wie niet sterk is moet slim zijn en het is niet slim om raketten te blijven afvuren terwijl er om dezelfde reden andere palestijnen worden geelimineerd.

Ik kan geen kant kiezen voor de Palestijnen, alleen al als je ziet wat de Shahada inhoud ik vind het ronduit walgelijk. Hoe slecht ben je als je je kinderen vanaf de geboorte aanspoort om zelfmoordaanslagen te plegen. Hieronder een filmpje van twee meisjes van 11 die al weten dat ze als martelaren willen sterven voor Allah.

http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Walla_7.asx


"Ask for death" is the message that the Palestinian Authority [PA] has been conveying to its children since the start of violence in October 2000. In June 2002, two articulate 11-year-old girls were interviewed in the studio of official Palestinian Authority TV. Among other topics, they spoke of their personal yearning to achieve death through Shahada – Death for Allah – and of a similar desire they said exists in "every Palestinian child." It is striking that their desire for death was expressed as a personal goal, not related to the conflict with Israel. Having been convinced that dying for Allah is preferable to life, their goal in living is not to experience a good life, but to achieve the proper death – Shahada.

During the more than two and a half years of armed conflict, the Palestinian Authority [PA] has been making a paramount effort to convince their own children that there is no greater achievement than to die for Allah in battle, known as Shahada. This has been done via the many mediums at its disposal, including children’s TV broadcasting, the educational system, cultural programs, directives from political and religious leaders and even encouragement from within the family.

In November 2000, a mere six weeks after the start of violence, Palestinian Media Watch published a report documenting the first indications that this was a PA goal. The official PA daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, glorified children who were killed in confrontations and described their deaths as personal achievements. It wrote of a 14-year-old: "He responded to the call of Allah and achieved the Shahada he yearned…. He reached the highest levels with Allah…" The paper reported with admiration that the dead boy’s "classmates swore they would continue on the path of Shahada…" [PA official daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, November 9, 2000] Other children were said to have been disappointed at having merely been injured and not killed. An injured 13-year-old: "My goal is not to be injured, rather something loftier: Shahada." [PA official daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, November 8, 2000] Since then, Palestinian Media Watch has published numerous reports on the progress of this PA indoctrination of its children and on the varying methods the PA employs to portray death for Allah to its children, not only as an ideal, but, as something that is expected of them.

The Results of the Indoctrination
In recent months the success of the PA indoctrination efforts are apparent. The 11-year olds quoted above defining death for Allah as their goal in life and public opinion polls confirm the widespread acceptance of this sentiment. These polls show 80% of Palestinian children seek death as Shahids.

Still more grave are the cases in which 14 year-olds have fulfilled this PA directive, writing farewell letters to their parents proudly describing their desire to be Shahids, and embarking on suicide terrorist missions hoping to die. It must be emphasized: the children’s farewell letters have included phrases identical to phrases from the propaganda films produced by the PA, such as "Mother, don’t cry for me," showing a direct link between the PA propaganda and the children’s drive for heroic death.

TUURLIJK VERKIEZEN ZE HET "AFTERLIFE" BOVEN HUN HUIDIGE LEVEN. ZE HEBBEN GEEN LEVEN. TUURLIJK DAT ZE DAN LIEVER VOOR HUN ZAAK STERVEN. DAT GELDT VOOR IEDER VOLK DIE MEER DAN 40 JAAR WORDT VERMOORD.

Als je ziet hoe Israel zo vaak vergissinkjes begaat en als je ziet dat je volk al 50 jaar verdoet wordt, ga je dan liefdevolle woordjes uitspreken over de bezetter die je volk uitroeit.? De bezetting is illegaal. Het verzet is legaal en elke collectieve straf is een oorlogsmisdaad; Duidelijker kan het niet zijn.
 
Zou je dit topic niet beter thinkalots log noemen en verplaatsen? :)
 
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Zou je dit topic niet beter thinkalots log noemen en verplaatsen? :)

Waarom? Wordt er teveel naar artikels verwezen? Heb je liever dat we debatteren op basis van speculaties?

Kan je niet eens inhoudelijk reageren op wat er aan het gebeuren is in Gaza?
 
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Heb ik het niet gezegd? Heb ik niet gezegd dat de VN-veiligheidsraad ging samen komen om te praten over wat er is gebeurd in Beit Hanoun; En zei ik niet dat Amerika zijn veto ging stellen? Dit is de 100 duizendste keer dat ze Israel de hand boven het hoofd houden. Ongelooflijk. De VN is duidelijk geen democratisch instelling. Zowat 150 landen veroordelen de aanslag in Beit hanoun maar omdat 1 land zijn veto stelt zal ook deze massamoord vergeten worden en onbestraft blijven; "God bless New york, and God bless America", riep Hilary clinton na haar overwinning; De rest van de wereld mag oprotten!
Shame on you ISrael, shame on you America! Niet alleen geven ze ISrael financiele en logistieke steun (bommen en andere wapens) , neen ze beschermen hen reeds 50 jaar van elke vn-veroordeling. de goortste schande in onze huidige democratische wereld;

Ik weet niet zeker of er een hel of een hemel bestaat (want ik ben agnost), maar als er een hel bestaat, dan zullen er veel beleidsmakertjes in Amerika afzien na hun dood.

Bolton, afgevaardigde die de Vs vertegenwoordigt in de veiligheidsraad zei:
Bolton said the draft resolution was biased against Israel thus was not serving the peace process.
het bombarderen van 18 burgers is dat wel?
He said the draft resolution was, in its introductory part, condemning Israel for its military operations in Gaza but failing to mention the firing of rockets against the Jewish state. Hij vergeet er ook bij te zeggen dat de raketten niet vielen op de joodse staat maar vielen op illegale kolonies op Palestijns gebied; Dit houdt in dat het een verzetsdaad is die is toegestaan volgens internationaal recht.

He protested the establishment of a fact-finding commission and said it was not needed,

Vinden jullie dat niet ongelooflijk? Een ander land ( amerika dus) die beslist dat er in een ander land geen onderzoek moet uitgevoerd worden door een onafhankelijk team, omdat dat niet nodig is. Hoe kan hij al op voorhand weten dat een onderzoek niet nodig is en wie is hij om dat te beslissen? Net zoals bij het bloedbad van jenin waar meer dan 100 palestijnen werden uitgeroeid;

Men vraagt deze onderzoekscommisies sinds jaar en dag en tevens internationale waarnemers maar Israel en Amerika weigeren dit! Waarom? De enige reden is dat ze iets te verbergen hebben. Maar iedereen weet al wat er verborgen wordt; Men roeit een volk uit, behandelt hen al 50 jaar als beesten, verzetten ze zich , dan zijn ze terroristen; doen ze niks, dan worden ze verder uitgeroeid zonder dat er een haan naar kraait. beit Hanoun, Sabra en shatila, Jenin , rafa, ramallah,..; hoeveel bewijzen en oorlogsmisdaden moet men nog zien alvorens Isreal ophoud met de grootste schande van de afgelopen 60 jaar. een schande voor de mensheid, een schande voor de VN, een schande voor hen die stilzwijgend toekijken.
Sharon zei indertijd op tv dat hij een grote opoffering maakte door de kolonisten uit gaza te vewijderen,en we zagen allen de schrijnende beelden van 4000 kolonisten die verwijderd werden uit hun huis. Schrijnende beelden. Men zei er wel niet bij dat er ondertussen 242 000 nieuwe kolonisten bijkwamen op de westelijke jordaanoever en dat de kolonisten die werden vewijderd uit Gaza een serieuse onkostenvergoeding kregen en een nieuw huis en stuk grond op palestijns gebied op de westelijke jordaanoever; Ditt was geen toegeving van Sharon, het was mooi uitgerekend; Het werd te duur 4000 kolonisten te beschermen in een gebied waar 1 200 000 palestijnen woonden. Beter is ze allemaal in de westelijke jordaanoever te plaatsen en hun gebied zo groot te maken dat bij volgende onderhandelingen met de palestijnen, deze gebieden automatisch tot Israel zullen gaan behoren. Israel denkt er nu aan om de Arabische israeli's te deporteren en ze in één gebied in Israel te laten wonen, om dan uiteindelijk dat deel af te scheiden . Doet me terugdenken aan een vies verleden.

Aan de Palestijnen:
onderga de vernedering, laat je land verder bezetten, laat de kolonisten verder nederzettingen bouwen, (elk jaar pakken ze 1 procent meer land), laat je huizen platbombarderen , je kinderen vermoord worden terwijl ze in de klas zitten, laat je maar vermoorden terwijl je slaapt. Doe niks, roep niet, schreeuw niet, huil niet, een voorla, vecht niet. Want vecht je , dan ben je een radicale terrorist die geen vrede wil, die alle joden dood wil (ook al leefden je voorouders 14 eeuwen in vrede met elkaar. Laat het zionisme en de territoriale drang van Israel heel je volk maar uitroeien. Reageer niet, want... "resistance is futile!"
Ik ben vandaag beschaamd om mens te zijn. Beschaamd in de mensheid.
 
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ongewonnen strijd dus, de joodse lobby is blijkbaar groter dan men verw8.
Ik hou mn hart vast voor hoe dit gaat aflopen... zucht waar is de tijd van make love and not war gebleven.:(
 
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ongewonnen strijd dus, de joodse lobby is blijkbaar groter dan men verw8.
Ik hou mn hart vast voor hoe dit gaat aflopen... zucht waar is de tijd van make love and not war gebleven.:(

zoals ik reeds had voorspeld, is het ook gegaan. Ik verwachtte het; Het is niet de erste keer, het is niet de laatste keer.
Ik voel me ziek. Ik heb alle vertrouwen in de mensheid vandaag verloren.
een volk uitroeien, schaamteloos zeggen dat een onderzoek niet nodig is.

Ik heb één troost: ooit komt er een dag dat het lijden van ht Palestijnse volk zal erkent worden en ooit komt er een dag dat Israel ooit in de geschiedenisboeken zal staan als de grootste schurkenstaat uit de 20 ste en 21 ste eeuw.

Ik hoop één ding. Dat Israel uit zichzelf ophoudt met deze misdaden voor het te laat is; de machtsverhoudingen zijn snel aan het veranderen in de wereld; en als ISrael niet snel zijn goede wil toont zou het daar later wel eens spijt van krijgen.
Israel, shame on you.
Ik vind het fantastisch dat er Joden zijn die tegen de bezetting zijn. ze zijn overal: Amerika, Europa en zeker in Israel zelf. Jammer genoeg is deze Isarelische lobby in Amerika en ISrael te sterk.

Israel, kom snel tot inkeer, voor het te laat is!
 
Ik heb één troost: ooit komt er een dag dat het lijden van ht Palestijnse volk zal erkent worden en ooit komt er een dag dat Israel ooit in de geschiedenisboeken zal staan als de grootste schurkenstaat uit de 20 ste en 21 ste eeuw.

Dat zal wel zo rechtvaardig zijn, some day...
Zit nu btw veel over robert fisk te lezen, interessant leesstof.
 
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Dat zal wel zo rechtvaardig zijn, some day...
Zit nu btw veel over robert fisk te lezen, interessant leesstof.

die kerel weet waar hij het over heeft; maar jammer genoeg kunnen ook zijn artikels en commentaren weinig veranderen aan de Israelische macht!

Kijk eens naar de teksten van Amira Hass, joodse journaliste die een aantal jaren nu in Ramallah woont; Wat ze daar ziet is ongelooflijk.
tabks die tijdens het ter aarde leggen van een kind, de familie bijna wordt vermorzeld door een racende tank.
Engelse en duitse journalisten vermoord in de nacht door militairen. bewijzen genoeg, maar na een "onderzoek" blijkt er niks aan de hand. zoals altijd.
 
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enkele maanden geleden gebruikte de vs ookl zijn veto toen Isreal werd veroordeeld voor zijn aanvallen op gaza:
10 lander veroordeelden Irael, 5 zeiden niks en de vs stelde zijn veto. Democratisch nietwaar?

deze nieuwe aanval op Beit Hanoun en het weigeren van de VS om dit er erkennen als aan overdreeven aanval, zal er toe leiden dat de extremistne in Palestina meer aanhangers zullen krijgen;, Dat is toch normaal he? De wereld laat hen in de steek;

er zullen nieuwe aanslagen volgen, dan overdreven erge reacties en vergeldingen van Isreael, waarbij alijd terroristen of militanten of leiders van hams worden vermoord (ik vraag me af hoeveel eiders een organisatie kan hebben :) )

Dan zullen er weer "per toeval" 40 a 50 palestijnen doden, en zal het weer voor de Veiligheidsraad verschijnen en zzal er weer niks gebeuren danlkzij de veto van USA;

Ah ja, en dan zullen we maar klagen dat we het niet begrijpen waarom de Palestijnen voor Hamas gekozen hebben.

Ik herinner me het nog goed. europa en Amerika zei 5 jaar geleden: als Hamas verandert in een politieke beweging, dan zijn we bereidt met hen te praten.

Tot hun verrassing wonnen ze de verkiezingen van de fatah beweging (fatah had financiele steun gekregen van europa aen de VS om de verkeizngen te winnen, maar tevergeefs)
hamas zei dat ze geen aanslagen mer zouden plegen. gedurende 16 maanden gedreogen ze zich echt voorbeeldig (met dit bedoel ik zoals een politieke partij zich moet gedragen).
Maar onder Amerikaanse druk stopte Europa de financiele steun en blokkeerde Israel de geldsommen aan Hamas (isrel moet 100 miljoen euro aan belastingen aan Hams geven maar doet it niet zodat hamas ziin mantenaren niet meer kan betalen; Hierdoor ontstaan er spannigne tusen de verschillende groepen binnen dePalestijnse gemeenschap. Interne strijd bij de Palestijnen zodat ze zichzelf verzwakken; Zagen we deze tactiek niet reeds toen Ameirka iran en iran tegen elkaar niet vechten?). Dus men zegt tegen hamas: ga in de politiek en dan praten we met jullie! Hamas doet dat en dan is het weer niet goed. Men wil de Palestijnen vernken, zo simpel is het.
 
Veto van de VS is idd weer triest, je vraagt je af hoeveel invloed die k*tjoden wel niet hebben... :(
 
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Veto van de VS is idd weer triest, je vraagt je af hoeveel invloed die k*tjoden wel niet hebben... :(

Persoonlijk heb ik niks tegen Joden. Ik heb wel een probleem met Joden die de bezetting en volkerenmoord goedpraten. Maar ja, ik heb datzelfde probleem ook met eender wie die deze genocide goedpraat.

geloof me vrij. De bezetting zal pas ophouden als Israel door geweld verplicht wordt. De bezetting zal pas ophouden als Amerika niet langer de wereldmacht in handen zal hebben. Laat ons zeggen dat Amerika binnen 20 a 30 jaar aijn wereldmacht verleist aan de Aziaten.
Ik hoop voor de onschuldige burgers in Israel dat de bezetting ophoudt alvorens een land hen met geweld verplicht.
 
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"This brutal collective punishment of a people, not a government, has passed largely unnoticed by the international community"

John Dugard, UN human rights rapporteur


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In Qana, the Israeli military initially said militants had fired rockets from the house, but later said they had no such information.

Waarom beweerden ze dan eerst van wel? Omdat ze dat zo vaak beweren en men hen altjd geloofd; maar aangezien de wereld nu iets scherper toekeek zou men mss ontdekt hebben dat dit niet het geval was. dus hebben ze die leugen zelf snel rechtgezeta alvorens de tegenpartij het deed.

In Beit Hanoun, an Israeli military investigation ruled Thursday, the military did not intend to hit the Atamna family compound. Seven artillery shells fired at a suspected rocket-launching team in an orange orchard landed 400 yards from their target, because of a radar system that was inaccurately calibrated, the military said.

yeah right, waar halen ze het toch uit.

The military imposed new limits on the use of artillery fire, saying it now required the approval of higher commanders.


het leger onderzoekt zelf of ze iets misdaan hebben. Wat een grap;
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And Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who is scheduled to visit Washington today to meet with President Bush, offered to hold his first talks with Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas. "I can offer him a lot," he said.

offer him a lot?!!! Wat zal aangeboden worden zal zo belachelijk zijn dat geen hond het zou aanvaarden.
Het zal welicht gaan over een autonoom zelfbestuur binnen de palestijnse gebieden maar zonder een eigen staat te hebben (de bezetting duurt dus voort en de verstikking van de Palestijnse economie blijft verder duren; Men zal hier een daar een nederzetting ontmantelen maar er ergens anders in de Palesijnse gebiden 10 andere bouwen ,enz; HIJ ZAL DE PALESTIJNEN NIKS BIEDEN EN MEN ZAL DE PALESTIJNEN VEROORDELEN OMDAT ZE DE AANBIEDING NIET AANVAARDT HEBBEN;

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...culminating in the Beit Hanoun incursion that killed more than 60, including some civilians. Israeli operations in Gaza this year killed at least 53 Palestinians uninvolved in fighting Israel, according to B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights group.
Some Israeli commentators are asking whether the price is worth the result, and are skeptical of the proposed assault in southern Gaza. "Are there indeed essential security reasons . . . or are commanders whose pride was hurt [in Lebanon] looking for a success?" the daily newspaper Ha'aretz asked last week.

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"De Amerikaanse ambassadeur bij de VN, John Bolton, noemde de resolutie politiek gekleurd en onevenwichtig. Tot nu toe heeft de VS al 82 keer zijn vetorecht gebruikt, vaak om Israël de hand boven het hoofd te houden. "

maar hopelijk zal de resolutie toch aanvaard worden door de Algemene Vergadereing (omdat daar geen vetorecht bestaat):
Selon des sources à la Ligue arabe, un nouveau projet de résolution pourrait maintenant être présenté à l'Assemblée générale des Nations unies, où il n'y a pas de veto, ce qui augmente ses chances d'être adopté.
 
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Kijk eens naar de teksten van Amira Hass, joodse journaliste die een aantal jaren nu in Ramallah woont; Wat ze daar ziet is ongelooflijk.
tabks die tijdens het ter aarde leggen van een kind, de familie bijna wordt vermorzeld door een racende tank.
Engelse en duitse journalisten vermoord in de nacht door militairen. bewijzen genoeg, maar na een "onderzoek" blijkt er niks aan de hand. zoals altijd.

ja die teksten heb ik al gelezen, zij is ook heel vaak bedreigd geweest.
Ik kan me nog herinneren dat in 2004 of 2005 een documentaire door een of andere amerikaanse reporter, waarin engelse of lief eerder gezegd europese journalisten en demonstranten erg slecht waren behandeld door de isrealische leger, denk aan aanrijdingen van tanks enz.
 
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Palestijnse slachtoffers van israelische militairen die zich amuseren met het martelen van Palestijnen;

in 2006:

B'Tselem - Testimonies

in 2005:

B'Tselem - Testimonies

in 2004:
B'Tselem - Testimonies

in 2003:
B'Tselem - Testimonies

in 2002:
B'Tselem - Testimonies

in 2001:

B'Tselem - Testimonies

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een voorproefje: gekidnapt en urenlang gemarteld! voor de lol!

About an hour after the soldiers made us leave the house, one of them tied my brother Ahmad's hands, blindfolded him, and put him into a jeep. Then they did the same thing to me and Nidal, another brother of mine. They put Nidal and me into another jeep, not the one they had put Ahmad in. We sat on the floor and the soldiers sat around us. During the journey, the soldiers kicked us and hit us with their rifle barrels. The jeep drove for about fifteen minutes and stopped. A soldier called out, "Up!", and a dog jumped into the jeep and began to smell us and walk on us. When the dog got out, the soldier told it to get back in. The dog got in and out of the jeep about five times. After that, the soldiers had us get out of the jeep. One of them sat me down on the ground. Then the soldiers slapped and kicked me. I heard them slapping Nidal and saying, "You are Hamas, you are Jihad," laughing as they spoke. They said similar things to me. Based on the time the journey took and the direction we drove, and because I know they take detainees there, I think we were at the army base in Huwarra.

After an hour or so passed, one of the soldiers took me to a narrow corridor and searched me. He took off the plastic handcuffs and replaced them with metal ones. Then he took me to a room and removed the blindfold. It was a small room. An officer asked me about my brother Amhad and about his friends, who calls him and where he goes. He asked me about my work and my situation. I answered him. After about ten minutes passed, another soldier blindfolded me, took me from the room, and sat me down on the ground. The soldiers continued to slap and beat me.

About fifteen minutes later, soldiers took me to an army vehicle. One of them changed my handcuffs, from metal to plastic. My hands were bound behind me. Inside the vehicle, I felt somebody next to me. I asked quietly, "Nidal?" He replied, "Yes." The vehicle started to move. I think many soldiers, maybe seven, were in the vehicle with us. This time, they beat us harder than before. One of the soldiers kicked me, another hit me with his rifle butt, and another punched me. They were talking and laughing as they did this. The jeep drove for a long time, and I couldn't determine which direction we were going.

When the jeep stopped, I heard one soldier tell another, in Hebrew, to detain us for four or five hours. The second soldier replied that he wouldn't do that without a formal letter from an officer. The jeep continued to drive for another fifteen minutes or so and then stopped. I heard a soldier say, "Hold them for eight hours and take care of them." One of the soldiers took us out of the jeep and led us somewhere. I heard a door close and the sound of soldiers walking away. My blindfold was on tight. I asked Nidal to remove it. I sat there on my knees so that Nidal could reach my blindfold. He managed to lower it, even though his hands were cuffed. I managed to raise his blindfold so it went around his forehead.

We saw that we were inside a room made of concrete that was 1.5 meter square. The ceiling and the door were made of tin, and there was a window with a glass pane. I saw women and men passing by outside, and realized we were at the Huwarra checkpoint. The floor was filthy, with empty packs of cigarettes and bottles of juice and spilt coffee. We couldn't sit down. After about fifteen minutes passed, the door opened and a tall soldier, about 1.9 meters tall, entered along with another soldier. The tall soldier had broad shoulders, a black beard, and a dark-brown complexion. The moment they entered, they blindfolded us again, this time even tighter. Then they beat and kicked us all over our bodies. They also hit us with their rifle butts. They beat us for about four minutes and then left and closed the door.

After being in the room for about an hour, a policeman in a blue (regular police) uniform came in and said, in Hebrew, "What happened to you?" We told him what happened. Nidal asked if he could go to the bathroom, and the policeman let him. When the policeman left, Nidal told me that he couldn't urinate because the bathroom was so filthy. I told the policeman that the cuffs hurt me a lot. He looked at them and said they were all right. He spoke in Hebrew. Then he left.

When he left, Nidal and I again removed the blindfolds. A few minutes later, the tall soldier came back, this time with two soldiers. He fixed the blindfolds around our eyes and the three of them beat us brutally. We cried out in pain, and begged them to leave us be. We were in great pain. When they left, they closed the door. We called to people who were outside, so they would know that we were inside and would notify somebody to help us get released, but they didn't hear us. We were afraid to speak too loudly, fearing that the soldiers might hear us and come back and beat us.

The soldiers came and beat us two more times. The last time was really brutal. Three soldiers, one of them the tall one, beat us hard and quick. They kicked us, hit us with their rifle butts, and punched us all over our bodies. Nidal and I stayed next to each other out of fear and pain. This went on for about fifteen minutes. We screamed and asked for help, thinking somebody outside might come and rescue us from the horrible nightmare. The pain was intolerable. I felt as if I were about to die. One of them hit me in the midsection with his rifle and I fell to the floor. He hit me on my right hand and I felt like it was broken. I lost consciousness.

After a while, I don't know how long, I woke up spread out on the floor. The soldiers were next to me. I didn't know if I was in the morgue or in a grave. I don't know. I barely managed to call to Nidal. I asked him, "What happened to you?" He replied, "I feel as if my back and ribs are broken." He asked what happened to me, and I told him that my midsection, back, and hand hurt.

After about 15-20 minutes passed, two soldiers came in, kicked us, and one of them said, in Hebrew, "Come on, up! You are joking." I told him that I was unable to stand. He grabbed me by the hair and pulled me. I couldn't stand, and almost fell. He held me and took me out of the room. After going a few meters, he let me go and I fell. He grabbed me again and took me to the taxis that go to Nablus . I heard one of the soldiers say, "Take them to the hospital." One of the soldiers removed the blindfolds and the handcuffs.

One of the drivers at the checkpoint summoned an ambulance. He told us that an ambulance would arrive in a moment and take us to the hospital. The ambulance arrived a few minutes later and took us to the "Arab hospital" in Nablus . We were treated at the hospital. The tests showed that we had no broken bones, but lots of bruises. The soldier gave us pain relievers and discharged us after a few hours.

We were at the Huwarra checkpoint from about 7:00-11:00 A.M. Ahmad is still detained at the Huwarra army base.

Nadel Muhammad Amhad Ashtiyeh, 30, is a greengrocer and a resident of Salem, Nablus District. His testimony was given to Salma Deba'i in Salem on 10 October 2006.
 
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ja die teksten heb ik al gelezen, zij is ook heel vaak bedreigd geweest.
Ik kan me nog herinneren dat in 2004 of 2005 een documentaire door een of andere amerikaanse reporter, waarin engelse of lief eerder gezegd europese journalisten en demonstranten erg slecht waren behandeld door de isrealische leger, denk aan aanrijdingen van tanks enz.

ja en ze worden niet zelden vermoord;
 
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