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Ik begin deze week met mijn kuur met HGH, T4, Test en Deca.
Voor het maximale effect adviseren ze een kort werkende insuline.
Ben dan ook in bezit van NovoRapid in een Pen,...helaas niet de bijhorende opschroefbare naaldjes ??? Anders gewoon instellen op ... IU en klaar is klara.
Nu moet ik het met een 2 ML spuit uit de Ampul zuigen en dan injecteren.
Alleen wat is een veilige dosering om te zetten ? Ik dacht zelf aan 3 IU per keer. Maar hoeveel is dat in een 2 ML speertje ??? Graag even jullie advies.
 

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Als ik jou was zou ik toch een zekere veiligheid in acht nemen met gebruik van Insuline.

Dwz; als je niet 100% zeker weet waarmee je bezig bent, kan je het beter niet gebruiken.
 

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Satfreak1969 zei:
Ik begin deze week met mijn kuur met HGH, T4, Test en Deca.
Voor het maximale effect adviseren ze een kort werkende insuline.
Ben dan ook in bezit van NovoRapid in een Pen,...helaas niet de bijhorende opschroefbare naaldjes ??? Anders gewoon instellen op ... IU en klaar is klara.
Nu moet ik het met een 2 ML spuit uit de Ampul zuigen en dan injecteren.
Alleen wat is een veilige dosering om te zetten ? Ik dacht zelf aan 3 IU per keer. Maar hoeveel is dat in een 2 ML speertje ??? Graag even jullie advies.

Bro, met alle respect, maar ik heb niet echt de indruk dat je 100% zeker weet waar je mee bezig bent en insuline is een link goedje..lees je eerst goed in in de materie.

bij www.drjones.nl of ww.triomedical.nl kan je die schroefnaaldjes gewoon bestellen die zou ik ook zeker gebruiken...want dat doseert een stuk makkelijker..

Hier staat bvb wat meer info:

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Big Fat Bastards and Insulin

Ask any of the elite who has become truly massive beasts which anabolic substance has had the most profound effect upon their physique and the answer from the largest mammals will unanimously be insulin. Though GH has brought to the forefront of competitive stages the well retained lean muscle mass tissue displayed beneath an onion skin exterior of today, it is the symbiotic relationship insulin has with all other physical enhancement chemistry that has made beasts what they are in the new millenium.

Insulin is predominantly a storage hormone in that it initiates a cascade of cellular events that result in up-regulation of cellular nutrient content. It obviously goes without saying then that supraphysiological plasma levels of insulin result in supraphysiological cellular levels of nutrients. This in itself allows for a highly anabolic effect known as an osmotic response.

A cellular osmotic response is nothing more than an increase in water and growth potentiating nutrients intracellularly that has a effect similar to increasing the amount of air in a balloon. More air in the balloon means a larger balloon. More water and proportionate growth nutrients means a larger cell. Interesting enough is the fact that this also triggers another survival mechanism that tells the stretched cell wall to increase in thickness to accommodate the osmotic response.

This is due to an up-regulation in localized IGF-1 and MGF production and the synergistic response initialize. Oh ya. That is anabolism in the form of hypertrophy. Unfortunately, insulin is quite anabolic to fat cells too.

Since insulin is the body’s main “storage” hormone it should come as no surprise to the reader that many diabetics and would-be beasts alike have become horribly fat as a result of improper insulin use and misguided dietary habits. Many bodybuilders have employed the 10-15 grams of carbohydrates per IU of insulin administered protocol with a great deal of success in spite of the inherent dangers of non-medical insulin use.

However many, who have either become insulin resistant/insensitive or are genetically predisposed to inordinate adipose (fat) tissue accumulation, have endured a greater anabolism of adipose tissue than muscle. Some have foolishly put on more covering clothing and simply accepted this as a necessary side effect endured for the greater eventual goal. Others have added the additional potential negative side effects of heart arrhythmia/tachycardia, diabetes, and other not so fun stuff as well.

As I have pointed out many times before, adipose tissue is a major site for aromatase enzyme activity which in itself compounds the Big Fat Bastard problem. Many AAS (anabolic/androgenic steroids) are susceptible to the effects of aromatase enzyme conversion to estrogens as is endogenously produced (made inside the body) androgens such as testosterone.

Obviously the greater the volume and activity of this enzyme that exists in the body, the greater the chance and degree of aromatization that occurs. Estrogen is directly anabolic to a minor degree to muscle tissue. Both fortunately and unfortunately it is highly anabolic to adipose tissue. Since estrogen is the hormone that induces female pattern fat deposits it is fortunate because a nice rack is a thing of beauty.

Unfortunately I have as of yet not noted a single male bodybuilder who looked good or happy with boobs or any other fatty female attributes. So a greater degree of adipose tissue accumulation from insulin administration results in a compounded adipose tissue storage effect from aromatase enzyme susceptible AAS employment.

In some instances the result of this vicious cycle is bodybuilders who fail to ingest adequate calories during AAS protocols as a means of decreasing adipose tissue accumulation. Unless you are from another planet you realize this also limits muscular growth potential as well.

Editor's Note: A little summary of key points discussed so far.1. Insulin is a storage hormone. Allows your muscles to store everything ... food, supplements, water, etc. So, this is a good thing.

2. When insulin levels rise (either through eating or injecting), other cool hormonal things happen to create anabolism, by itself as well as working with other hormones like testosterone, GH, thyroid, etc. Insulin is like everyone's best friend.

3. If insulin is used incorrectly, not only could you possibly become diabetic (or even die), but you'll get FAT! It increases nutrients in both muscle AND fat cells. And some people are more sensitive in their fat cells, so they will tend to get fatter, versus more muscular when taking insulin.

4. In addition to the above, as you start to get fatter with incorrect insulin usage ... your fat cells will create more estrogen which will make you even fatter then the original insulin problem. More estrogen means more fat on your ass and nipples, and less muscle. So this is a BAD thing.

Basically, insulin has to be used properly if you want all the positive effects while avoiding the negative. So keep reading the rest of this article so you can discover the do's and don'ts.



Before we discuss all of the interesting facts concerning the means of becoming a big fat bastard, it is necessary to have a fundamental understanding of the macronutrient product glucose.

Glucose

Glucose is the body’s preferred energy substrate. Though the brain’s nutrient make-up is nearly 1/3 omega-3 fatty acids it is glucose that is without fail mandatory for continued sentience. So carb up a little and read closely as we learn a few things about the body we have been entrusted to play nice with.

When we ingest food stuffs in the form of the three macronutrients protein, carbohydrates, and fats the GI track introduces a series of chemical Action/Reaction Factors that result in the break-down of these nutrients to metabolic substrates.

Proteins = amino acids
Carbohydrates = glucose
Fats = fatty acids

It appears simple on the surface but in fact glucose can be converted to triglycerides and adipose tissue or lean tissue glycogen stores and toilet tinkle. Like wise fatty acids can be stored as fat or utilized as an energy substrate by the body’s tissues but it cannot be converted to glucose. This is interesting when one considers the fact that carbohydrates can become glucose or fat, but fat cannot become glucose (though the cellular mitochondria can use fatty acids as an energy substrate as a keto response).

Protein is ultimately destined to become amino acids employed for cellular repair and growth or intimate moments with the bathroom. But certain amino acids called gluconeogenic amino acids can be converted to glucose too. This can be disastrous for a bodybuilder who hopes to be a beast one day since lean muscle mass is predominantly made up of protein in the form of amino acids and a complete spectrum is necessary. We will get to this later. For now simply accept that glucose is necessary for life and bodybuilding progress alike.

The average circulatory value for glucose allows for about only 4 grams of glucose. It is actually uncommon for blood glucose levels to rise beyond an additional 1.5-2.0 grams or to drop below the 4 gram mark. A healthy individual who ingests a meal containing 50-150g of mixed carbohydrates will realize the normal increase in circulatory glucose for only about an hour.

Interesting thing here is that endogenous (made by the body) insulin secretion will remain elevated for an additional 2 hours after glucose clearing. When the same individual ingests 300g of carbs (Fat Bastard) at one time the resulting insulin secretion levels will be 300% above normal for an additional 7 hours after blood glucose clearing. This is clearly a highly anabolic environment, but after tissue glycogen stores reach maximum levels a grotesque amount of the excess glucose finds its way to adipose tissue.

And don’t worry. If all of the existing fat cells are full, the body is way too happy to make new ones to secrete lots of aromatase enzyme. And herein awaits the key to greater lean mass tissue and a decrease in adipose tissue.

Gluconeogenesis

Gluconeogenesis is the biosynthesis of new glucose. This means that glucose is synthesized from other substrates than carbohydrates or glycogen stores. Obviously since the only source of fuel for the brain, testes, kidneys, and erythrocytes is glucose the body in its amazing adaptive manner can manufacture glucose from other materials.

Those who are up on keto diets (high fat/protein diets with no carbs) are aware of the fact that the body can derive energy from ketone bodies (which are converted into acetyl-CoA). But that is an entire different topic for now. In short the body utilizes the carbon structures within substrates to create energy in the eventual form of ATP (adenosine triphosphate). ATP is cellular energy that, as readers are aware, is the body’s only energy currency. In the case of gluconeogenesis the carbon structures can come from other sources.

Triglycerides are structures consisting of three fatty acids adjoined by a glycerol molecule. By cleaving the fatty acids away from the glycerol molecule the body can utilize the freed glycerol molecule to make glucose through a series of conversions and subsequent carbon utilization.

With the exception of lysine and leucine all 20 (or 22 if you are of that school of thought) amino acids can be turned into TCA cycle intermediates which in turn allows for the carbon skeletons of the amino acids to be converted to pyruvate. The newly formed pyruvate can then be utilized by the gluconeogenic pathway to create glucose by way of another series of metabolic pathways.

Let me explain that a little better. When glycogen stores in the liver and muscle are depleted the working/recovering muscles, brain and organs need another energy source. Catabolism of muscle tissue proteins to amino acids becomes the main source of carbon skeletons for the maintenance of mandatory blood glucose. As you will recall the body can clear 50–150 grams of carbohydrates in only a few hours.

So how much muscle do you think the gluconeogenic adaptive process can munch in the same period of inadequate nutrient supply from diet? By the way, the amino acid Alanine is the favorite gluconeogenic snack with Arginine and Glutamine coming in as close seconds.

Editor's Note: Umm ... did you get all that? Heh, kinda confusing - but let me get to the point. Gluconeogenesis basically means that your body can make glucose from OTHER sources other then carbs. Now, it does this because your brain needs glucose to function and the brain ALWAYS gets its way.
So it body gets creative and if you aren't eating ENOUGH carbs and/or supplying your body with the correct nutrients, your body will just say "ahh, **** you ... we'll just tear apart your muscles and make glucose that way". So you gotta be careful or else you'll lose all your hard-earned muscles.



Think About It

In the presence of circulatory insulin elevation gluconeogenesis in the liver and muscle tissue decreases. During periods of circulating supraphysiological levels of amino acid muscle catabolism decreases. In the presence of both protein synthesis occurs.

So it would seem that the two choices a wanna-be beast faces is 300 grams of carbohydrates to induce a sufficient prolonged insulin spike and a Big Fat Bastard pose down or non-stop keto diets and declarations of “Hey, I may look like a weenie but I am really cut” for life.

The obvious solution is an elevation in both circulatory insulin and a corrected amino acid pool rendered highly efficient by design and not by chance. Insulin administration is nothing new to the larger beasts of the bodybuilding world. Unfortunately neither is Big Fat Bastard status in the brief off-season. So it should come as no surprise to those who have entered the realm of the chemically enhance athlete to learn that insulin can make even the best genetically predisposed individual fat. It has been my experience that this is simply not necessary.

Insulin forces excessive amounts of amino acids into muscle cells when an adequate supply exists at the time of insulin exposure. Insulin also triggers increased muscle cell glycogen synthesis by way of positively effecting the rate limiting enzyme glycogen synthase. We also know the positive effects correct application of supraphysiological insulin levels has had upon the most catabolic pathway there is that affects muscle mass from reading my two prior books. Add to this the fact that insulin is synergistic to and with all other chemicals of muscular enhancement and realize the potential.

In relationship to goals it would seem evident that a protocol employing the attributes of insulin would necessitate the symbiotic relationship the hormone has with macronutrients as it applies to lean muscle mass tissue.

Muscle is more than 80% protein by dry weight.
ATP is the energy currency of muscular contractions, repair, and growth.
Glucose is the prime source substrate for ATP synthesis and mandatory for proper brain and organ function (yes, that one also).
Excess blood glucose will result in excess adipose tissue accumulation.
The Protocol - Diet

When this protocol was created its intent was rapid accumulation of lean mass tissue without an increase in adipose tissue deposits. Since the foundation of the diet was structured for efficient gluconeogenic dependant upon a correct ratio and amount of amino acids, a great deal of protein was consumed daily.

The most effective protein intake minimum was the equivalent of 3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight daily divided into at least 6 meals. Using a 200 pound individual as an example it was possible to reduce this slightly by simply eating 4 whole food meals daily providing 50 grams of whole protein each and sipping on whey protein drinks in water throughout the day providing the remaining 400 grams of protein.

I preferred whey protein simply because it is one of the only two drinkable products I am aware of that allows for actual hyperaminoacid response in the circulatory system. Casein, egg, and (some people still use it) soy proteins fail to clear the GI track at a rate significant enough to induce the necessary supraphysiological amino acid concentrations for the protocol. The fact that whey protein is easily oxidized by the liver should be the first clue to the reason why results are superior.

So here is the kicker. Though fat intake could be quite high, total daily carbohydrate intake could not exceed 0.5 grams per 25 pounds of bodyweight daily. The reason is simple: The goal was to force the body to employ the gluconeogenic pathway as a means of energy production. Any degree of actual glycogen regeneration resulted in the body returning to the glycosis pathway which allows for adipose tissue accumulation.

The reason this worked so well was simplistic in nature. The making of ATP through amino acid gluconeogenesis is very inefficient thus allowing for a huge calorie expenditure similar to what occurs during DNP utilization. During calorie expenditure the body does not store fat but it does undergo protein anabolism. When enough protein was ingested the result was always a net increase in lean body mass of 5-8 pounds by the end of a 4 week protocol. Not bad for experienced beasts, huh?

Additional Supplements

Since exogenous insulin was utilized during this protocol and, as mentioned prior, the gluconeogenic energy pathway loves certain amino acids it is easy to realize that the normal ratio of amino acids derived from whey protein and whole foods was not likely adequate. A mixture of 4 parts Alanine, 2 parts Glutamine, 2 parts Arginine and 1 part Taurine was created and capsulated. The dosage ingested was 1 gram of the supplemental mix per I.U. of insulin administered daily divided into 2 post administration dosages.

The preparation for this protocol required a liver glycogen depletion period of 24 hours prior to initial insulin administration. This was done to initiate the gluconeogenic pathway prior to protocol onset thus preventing any loss of lean tissue growth potential.

Though only a total idiot would ever assume that non-medical exogenous insulin use was safe, the utilization of a fast acting insulin was the better choice for this protocol. The first reason of course being that short acting chemistry also means shorter periods of potential exposure to negative side effects like a coma. Second is the fact that it was necessary due to the relevance in liver capacity for glucose manufacture by way of gluconeogenesis.

Running out of adequate glucose reserves would introduce a series of potential negative side effects that would have required the ingestion of dextrose to inhibit.

Examples Of Insulin
Name
Of Insulin Start Activity Highest Activity Ends Activity Low
B.S.
Humolog (very short-acting) 10 min 1.5 hours 3 hours 2-4 hours
Regular-R (short acting) 20 min 3-4 hours 8 hours 3-7 hours
Nor-L (intermediate acting) 1.5-2 hours 4-15 hours 22-24 hours 6-13 hours
Ultra Lente (long-acting) 4 hours 10-24 hours 36 hours 12-28 hours
70% N/30% R (combo) 0-1 hour 3-13 hours 12-20 hours 3-12 hours
50% N/50% R (combo) 0-1 hour 3-13 hours 12-20 hours 3-12 hours



Humalog was administered about 15 minutes before an appropriate meal
Regular Type-R was administered 30 minutes before an appropriate meal
Low BS = Low blood sugar (Glucose).
As the reader can see when viewing the examples of insulin above, the employment of Humalog allowed for a total of 4 daily administrations of 10-15iu each and Humulin-R (Short-acting) only allowed for 3 daily administrations. This is not to say some have not increased the dosage or chose different insulin analogs, but it is to say that under these circumstances it was not necessary or more effective.

The Protocol Example
Day Drug Amount Day Drug Amount
1. Test. Sus. 150 mgs 15. Test. Sus. 150 mgs
2. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd 16. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd
3. Test. Sus. 150 mgs 17. Test. Sus. 150 mgs
4. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd 18. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd
5. Test. Sus. 150 mgs 19. Test. Sus. 150 mgs
6. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd 20. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd
7. Test. Sus. 150 mgs 21. Test. Sus. 150 mgs
8. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd 22. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd
9. Test. Sus. 150 mgs 23. Test. Sus. 150 mgs
10. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd 24. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd
11. Test. Sus. 150 mgs 25. Test. Sus. 150 mgs
12. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd 26. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd
13. Test. Sus. 150 mgs 27. Test. Sus. 150 mgs
14. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd 28. Humalog 10 ius / 4xd



Test. Sus. = testosterone suspension
The use of testosterone suspension afforded an extra benefit during this protocol in that the increase in aromatization resulted in an increase in up-regulation of liver glucose production and increased GLUT-4 and androgen receptor sensitivity. Since the glucose was derived from the gluconeogenic pathway the result was a focalization upon lean tissue mass accumulation at the expense of adipose tissue (no Big Fat Bastard).

The every other day administration protocol prevented pancreatic beta cell and insulin receptor desensitizing while acting as a pro-androgen catalyst. This is due to the fact that insulin is a powerful SHBG inhibitor meaning that the degree of free/active testosterone was significantly increased while the system clearing rate for estrogen was excellerated. Unbound hormones simply metabolize and are excreted (toilet tinkle) at a much higher rate.

No doubt some reader is assuming that this would mean that the circulatory testosterone would be destroyed at an increase rate as well. You would be quite right. But when one is talking in terms of active/free testosterone 150mg is serious. But first the reader must realize that testosterone suspension is a non-esterfied “free” AAS with an active-life of about 24 hours though plasma levels remain elevated for about 24 more hours. Part of the reason that this is so is that the free administered product is rapidly bound by SHBG. Each day following testosterone suspension administration the insulin administered frees the lions share of the remaining testosterone. See, synergistic and symbiotic!

Editor's Note: The first thing that you MUST understand about this article is that this is an ADVANCED protocol for advance INSULIN users. Not advance bodybuilders ... Not advance steroid users. But people who have had NUMBEROUS insulin cycles to play and experiment with.
I've been playing around with insulin for almost 10 years now, before most ANYONE ever knew about it and the MOST I ever took the first few cycles was 10-12 ius during a 24 hour time span. So when looking at the above protocol of 40 TOTAL ius daily, you better have a lot of background personal experience with insulin.

My advice would be to give this protocol a try but start with using only 3 ius, 4xd. See how you feel and look. Heck, the cycle might "suck", but I bet you'll gain a lot of experience from it and getting to know your own body.

Then, the second cycle protocol (after a minimum of 4 weeks off), you can try 5 ius, 4xd and see how that goes. Also take into account that your body will get use to the insulin. What worked on day 1 will not feel the same on day 28.

So, the other approach is after your first cycle protocol, and starting on your second or third one, you can do something like 3 ius, 4xd the first week and each week increase the dose a bit until the 4th week you are doing 10 ius, 4xd.

One last thing, please DO NOT take any insulin shot with the last meal of the day before you go to bed. NOT a smart thing to do, no matter how "experienced" you think you are (especially with 10 ius). Just take it the 2nd to last meal of the night.

As for the testosterone suspension ... if you don't have access to it and you REALLY want to give this protocol a try, you could substitute dianabol, 10-20 mgs 4xd ... preferably with the insulin shots.

Anyway, a bit of experimenting never hurt anyone ... just try to use your brain a little.
 

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First let me preface by saying that insulin IS NOT for newbies.... gain weight with AAS first.... then try this.... This is an informative article, but it is not the end all. Research your ass off...
And finally.... I am not a doctor.... so use this as a guide....
Also I do not mind if this gets posted else where... just give me credit

Insulin and all that it entails.

Chemical structure
Insulin is the hormone that is released by the beta cells of the pancreas. It is the hormone that regulates blood glucose levels. It is a polypeptide that is made up of a chain of 20 and 31 amino acids, thus a total of 51 amino acids. This nifty little hormone just so happens to be the most anabolic hormone in the body.

Actions of Insulin
In addition to its role in regulating glucose metabolism, insulin stimulates, lipogenesis (the formation of fatty acids from acetyl coenzyme in the living body), diminishes lipolysis, (the hydrolysis (breakdown) of fat). It also stimulates the uptake of amino acids contributing to its overall anabolic effect. We as bodybuilders should be interested in that. Insulin also modulates transcription, altering the cell content of numerous mRNAs. It stimulates growth, DNA synthesis, and cell replication, effects that it holds in common with the insulin-like growth factors (IGFs) (1)

For our bodybuilding needs
Our reason for using insulin is to use its abilitiy to shuttle nutrients to the muscles at a very high rate. It shulltes large amounts of protein and sugars to the muscles for fuel, repair, and growth. The ability of insulin to transport nutriants is what makes it perfect for our needs and goals. More nutriants is simply more muscle mass.

The use of Insulin for bodybuilding purposes
There are a few types of insulin available to the public, these I feel are the only ones that apply for our needs.
Humalin R*, Duration ~10-12 hours, peaks at 3rd hour until the 5th hour
Humalog* Duration ~6 hours, peaks at 80min to 120 min.
Nolvalog, Just a different maker of a fast acting insulin, same times as humalog.
Few notes, Duration is the amount of time the chemical is active.
Peak time, is the time in which you have the highest level of the chemical in the blood (2)

*This is for subcutaneous (subc, or subq) injections... we as body builders do not use insulin this way. We should and need to shoot intramuscularly (IM) see below.

Knowing what you know about the duration and peak times of humalog shot subcutaneous. Below is a graph to represent how humalog shot IM affects the blood glucose levels.
http://www.ironforlife.com/attachme...tachmentid=2116
T= -5 is post w/o before insulin
T=0 is 10IU Humalog IM into left bicep
T= 5 is BG prior to my ingesting 85g of dextrose, 5g of glutamine and 7g of creatine
T=35 is BG prior to ingesting 80g of whey
T=105 is BG prior to 25g of dextrose and 150g of chicken breasts
After 150min past an IM Humalog injection, the BG remains stable

First off the warnings...
-Insulin is dangerous. Yes you can die from it, you can have some serious complications. But my goal is to educate you enough to where you never have to worry about these problems.
-Hypoglycemia- symptoms include disorientation, headache, drowsiness, weakness, dizziness, fast heartbeat, sweating, tremor, and nausea in NO paticular order. This can and WILL happen to you... so be prepaired.

How to use it for our needs...
Once you are finished with your work out, get the hell out of the gym to take your shot. Do not look around for a new girl to talk to.... get your ass home.
Once you are home, and this is your first time using it, start off with 4 IU. Every PWO there after add one more IU, until you hit 10iu.
Then follow the diet below

Diet-
10min after your shot, injest the proper amount of dextrose* and 65-90G of whey isolate protein in WATER
One hour after your shot have your PPWO meal. This meal is a solid one. (no shakes)
40-50g of protein, 40-50g of carbs, NO FATS
Also avoid fat at all costs for the next two and half hours. Remember if insulin transports AA and protein at a high rate, it will also transport fat**.... you have been warned

*You simple carb ratio should start off at a very safe, 10g of carbs per 1iu of insulin. So if you are at 7ius you need 70g of dextrose.

**But I dont wanna get fat :fit:
- Hey neither do I.... so to avoid this complication once you get to your 10ius of insulin and everything is good. Lower your carb to slin ratio SLOWLY. Once you feel funny, you are too low. This varies from person to person... I feel hypo at 7g/iu.... some of my buddies can go 5g/iu. So proceed with caution whenever you try to figure this stuff out.

Things to remember-
-This HAS to be cycled 4 weeks on, and 4-6 weeks off. Otherwise your insulin sensativity will go down and you cound have some problems. This is where you could become insulin depdent...... bad news!
-Its a good idea to have a partner around that knows that you are on insulin... Just incase something happens then can be prepaired to help you out.
-Have all of your supplies with you ready to go before you take your shot. I live close enough away from the gym where I can drive home and shoot at the house. But some of you do not have that luxery. So if you shoot in the car or in the locker room, make sure you have your dex/whey drink. Along with some sweetarts, dextrose tablets or even a soft drink. That way if you do come across a problem (going hypo) you can stop it before it really starts.
- Do not exersize while the insulin is active... it will throw off your glucose levels and cause you to go hypo a lot easier.
- Do not go to sleep whenever the insulin is active, seems like common sence to me but I just want to say it. If you are asleep... you have NO way of knowing if you are going hypo.... so STAY AWAKE!
- Do not shower while the insulin is active.... makes it very hard to determine if you are going hypo.... trust me I know :
- Hypoglycemia can happen VERY fast... so make sure you are ready to fight it IF it happens.

Things you need to do prior to using insulin, once you feel you are ready.
-First you need to get a blood glucose meter... if you do not have one, do not mess with insulin, period
Second, once you get your BG meter, check your BG first thing in the morning when you wake up. This will be YOUR personal baseline. Test this for a few days to see what your levels are.
Third- It would be a good idea to eat like you would on insulin and check your BG PWO. You just have to check it once.... 15 min after your dex/whey shake is great.
These are just precautions.... Im trying to save your butt here.

Some questions-
-I can only get Humalin R in the states.... can I still use it?
Yes you can, do I recommend it? No way... did you forget what you just read If you want info on how to get humalog... shoot me a PM
-Can I get away with using an insulin pin to inject IM?
Sure you can, make sure you shoot into an area of low body fat. IE bis, tris and for some delts and quads.
-Can I use this to cut? Yes you can, but this is for an advanced user. Chances of hypo increase whenever this is done.
See rambos sticky.
-Can I bulk with it? You bet you can.... and its EASY. Just up your carb intake to 12g+ per IU and you will be gaining in NO time.
-Can I use this in PCT?
shoot yeah you can and its a very good idea. This is a great way to keep some of the mass you have gained in your AAS cycle.
-Can I add supplements to my PWO shake?
Yes, I add 1.5g of CEE (creatine ethyl ester) as soon as I take my shot. Also you can use glutamine, but you need to split up your shakes.... so 5 min after injection, you have your glu+dex drink. 10min after that you have your whey iso drink. FWIW I do not use glutamine.
-Do I need to use insulin twice a day?
IMO no... the only time you have to have it is PWO. But some use it in the morning to fight of catabolism... If this is what you want to do, use a small amount ie 4-6iu.

Insulin use with LR3 IGF-1
I am writing this for the seasond insulin and LR3 user
LR3 makes you more sensative to insulin. So even if you know what your carb ratio should be.... up it. And lower your initial intake of insulin.
Start at 7iu, and with a 10g of carbs ratio.
Work up or go to 10ius... keeping your dex high.
Then lower it accordingly.
If you are using both, hypo comes way faster than it did before.... I have had to keep my carbs over 9g...
So just be careful.

Increasing your Insulin sensativity
There are a few ways that you can go about to accomplish this, OTC or prescription.
OTC
-ALA any form of it but Kr-ala is the best, as it does not break down thanks to the potassium. The dosage is around 400mg-600mg... and add some biotin. For more on this visit the supp section....
-GTF Chromium or Chromium Piccinolate at 300-400mcgs. This stuff is cheap so get some.
By prescription-
-Actos this med comes in 15mg 30mg and 40mg tablets... for the average person with lowerd sensativity, 15mg will be enough to bring it back to the normal range.

Blood Glucose Ranges (mg/dl)
Taken first thing on the morning (fasting for 8+ hours)
70 - 110 mg/dl - normal range this is individualistic.
110 - 126 mg/dl - impaired tolerance range. This means you need to monitor closly as becoming a diabetic is a prolbem.
126 - above mg/dl - You are a diabetic....

Types of Diabetes:
Type 1 Diabetes is caused by a total lack of insulin that, in turn, produces high blood glucose levels. Type 1 is most often is seen in children, but can develop in adults. If you have Type 1, It would be a good idea to have your blood sugar checked regularly.
Type 2 Diabetes occurs when the body does not produce enough insulin or cannot properly use insulin. This is the most common type. The treatment may be similar to Type 1.


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MrJ zei:
Als ik jou was zou ik toch een zekere veiligheid in acht nemen met gebruik van Insuline.

Dwz; als je niet 100% zeker weet waarmee je bezig bent, kan je het beter niet gebruiken.


nou dat weet hij echt wel hoor!!!
lees dit bericht maar van hem:

Satfreak1969
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Ja op zondag zet ik dus een Sustenon / Deca en Primo in een 5 ml spuit. En daar teer ik dan heel de week op. Vroeger heb ik wel eens 3 x per week een injectie gezet,...maar heb nu dezelfde resultaat met minder. (zolang je goed spul heb natuurlijk). En nakuur ? wat is dat ? Ik zet wel Pregnyl 5000 IU maar zet dan toch nog 1 x per week een Deca voor het onderhoud. Anders loop je het risico om je gewonnen massa kwijt te raken.
 

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nou nou :eek: :eek: ik hoop dat het nog ooit goedkomt :o
 

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Navy zei:
:rolleyes: lol ik zal al deze middelen nog maar even laat staan, want dit wordt
geheid weggegooid geld.


Opmerkingen maken is niet zo moeilijk,...maar geef jij dan eens een goed advies in het nederlands als je het zo goed weet.
Ik wil alleen wat advies over Insuline gebruik omdat ik weet dat het ook gevaarlijk kan zijn,..of je kan er ook suikerziekte aan overhouden.
 

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Ik heb in m'n vorige cycle ook slin gebruikt (novorapid). Gewoon slopen dat ding met een mes tot je de flacon overhoudt. Daaruit met een slinspuitje optrekken....
 

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Een van de belangrijkste punten is dit dus :

Diet-
10min after your shot, injest the proper amount of dextrose* and 65-90G of whey isolate protein in WATER
One hour after your shot have your PPWO meal. This meal is a solid one. (no shakes)
40-50g of protein, 40-50g of carbs, NO FATS
Also avoid fat at all costs for the next two and half hours. Remember if insulin transports AA and protein at a high rate, it will also transport fat**.... you have been warned

Voor de meesten mensen is 8-10 ie wel genoeg. Ligt beetje aan je lichaamsgewicht
 

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Navy zei:
man ik neem de moeite niet meer om op dit soort topics serieus in te gaan.
Je kan nog niet eens omgaan met AAS, laat staan met insuline.
Ik ga mensen echt niet adviseren voor het gebruik van insuline.

Ik hoef me dacht ik niet meer te bewijzen op het gebied van AAS.

Misschien als je eerst zelf wat meer moeite doe om het een en ander uit te zoeken, dan krijg je misschien wat meer positieve reacties.

peace

Lichte mate van pwnage ghehe.

Ik weet nog laaaaaang niet alles over slin, maar ik dacht wél te weten hoeveel 1IU is. Dat ga ik niet vertellen omdat we jou niet dood willen hebben, maar met een beetje zoekwerk is er wel achter te komen :rolleyes:
 

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Satfreak1969 zei:
Opmerkingen maken is niet zo moeilijk,...maar geef jij dan eens een goed advies in het nederlands als je het zo goed weet.
Ik wil alleen wat advies over Insuline gebruik omdat ik weet dat het ook gevaarlijk kan zijn,..of je kan er ook suikerziekte aan overhouden.

Haha wat een lachertje ben jij! Vorige keer mocht ik ook al geen reply geven toen je vertelde deca, primo en winny in 1 spuit te flikkeren. En nu ga jij Navy vragen of hij het soms "zo goed weet"? :roflol: Ik denk dat jij blij mag zijn als je alleen suikerziekte aan overhoudt want slin is echt geen speelgoed. Maar goed, ik weet het niet zo goed, dus ik zal wenselijk mijn bek houden!

Aan de rest van de members, fijn weekend heren :)
 

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ArieWillem zei:
Haha wat een lachertje ben jij! Vorige keer mocht ik ook al geen reply geven toen je vertelde deca, primo en winny in 1 spuit te flikkeren. En nu ga jij Navy vragen of hij het soms "zo goed weet"? :roflol: Ik denk dat jij blij mag zijn als je alleen suikerziekte aan overhoudt want slin is echt geen speelgoed. Maar goed, ik weet het niet zo goed, dus ik zal wenselijk mijn bek houden!

Aan de rest van de members, fijn weekend heren :)
Fijn weekend Arie!
 

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