johanheeze
Competitive Bodybuilder
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Wanneer is iemand naturel ?
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Big_M
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Big_M zei:
klopt, als die gene van de medicinale troep afblijft, zeg maar de illegalen middelen.
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er zijn een aantal natural bonden, die een lijst hebben met verboden middelen, whey en creatine horen daar geloof ik niet bij
anyway here is de hele lijst verboden middelen van het IOC, ABA, INBA en PNBA
Banned Substances & Policies
The following products are banned from the International Olympic Committee (IOC)
and the ABA/INBA/PNBA
This is not a complete list, as new products are introduced every day!
Natural Drug Free Requirements
All competitors must be drug free for amount of time allocated for the competition they are in- National and International Events have a minimum of five years drug free, unless stipulated differently. Drug testing is to conform to IOC regulated Standards.
Once your entry form is received you will be contacted to verify your appointment time for the polygraph test.
You must obtain two characters references attesting that you have been drug free depending on amount of time allocated for the competition.
You will be required to pay for your polygraph test. All overall winners will be required to take a urine test.
This includes all performance enhancing "drugs" that are on the IOC banned list.
All athletes must pass a polygraph test every 60 days (if they are competing) and also pass a mandatory urine test (division winners only).
We will also conduct random drug testing at each event as well as random testing to all members of the Natural Teams throughout the year.
Random drug testing for Team members will begin January 1st, 1999 and we will conduct a minimum of 1-2 tests per month.
If an athlete tests positive for a banned substance they will be suspended from competing for a minimum of two years (However, they are banned from all regional, national and international events for a period of five (5) years.)
Any member of the Natural Teams that is found experimenting with a banned substance will be banned from the team for life. The athlete suspension begins immediately upon receipt of a positive test. The athlete has the right to appeal the decision, however, the suspension remains in effect until either the "B" sample confirms or refutes the findings or a meeting is held by the representatives of the local federation and the International committee where the case may be appealed. Once a final ruling is made by the local and International INBA committee, then there is no second appeal.. In the case of an inaccurate reading on the polygraph test they will be obliged to undergo a urine test with a final decision pending a meeting of the INBA Committee."
Be advised that among the banned substances are ephedrine and its derivatives, DHEA and Andro and all of its derivatives. It is your responsibility to be aware of the substances that are on the banned list. Ignorance is not an excuse.
Official Banned Substances :
The following is a non-exhaustive list of banned and/or restricted substances. Please very with the appropriate IOC regulated body for a complete and up-to-date listing.
I. DOPING CLASSES
A. Stimulants
amiphenazole
amphetamines
amineptine
cocaine
ephedrine
fencamfamine
mesocarb
pentylentetrazol
pipradol
salbutamol & terbutaline (are permitted by inhaler only and must be declared to the relevant medical authority.)
NOTE: All imidazole preparations are acceptable for topical use, e.g. oxymetazoline. Vasoconstrictors (e.g. adrenaline) may be administered with local anesthetic agents. Topical preparations (e.g. nasal, ophthalmologic) of Phenylephrine are permitted.
B. Narcotic analgesics
dextromoramide
dextropropoxyphene
diamorphine
methadone
morphine
pentazocine
pethidine
.... and related substances
NOTE: Codeine, Dextromethorphan, Dihydrocodeine, Diphenoxylate and Pholcodine are permitted.
C. Anabolic agents
The Anabolic class includes anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) and Beta-2 Agonists.
1.Anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS)
The AAS class includes testosterone and substances that are related in structure and activity to it. They have been misused in sport to increase muscle strength bulk, and to promote aggressiveness.
Some examples of AAS are:
clostebol
fluoxymesterone
metandienone
metenolone
nandrolone
oxandrolone
stanozolol
testosterone *
... and related substances
Note: The administration of testosterone is banned. The presence of a testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) ratio greater than six (6) to one (1) in the urine of a competitor constitutes an offense unless there is evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition, e.g. low epitestosterone excretion, androgen production by tumor, enzyme deficiencies.
2.Beta-2 Agonists
Some examples of beta-2 Agonists are:
clenbuterol
salbutamol
terbutaline
saimeterol
fenoterol
.... and related substances
D. Diuretics
Some examples of diuretics are:
acetazolamide
bumetanide
chlorthalidone
ethacrynic acid
furosemide
hydrochlorothiazide
mannitol
mersalyl
spironolactone
triamterene
.... and related substances
E. Peptide and Glycoprotein hormones and analogues
1.Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG - human chorionic Gonadotrophin)
2.Corticotropin (ACTH)
3.Growth hormone (HGH, somatropin)
4.Erythrorpoietin (EPO)
… and related substances
II. METHODS
A. Blood doping
B. Pharmacological, chemical and physical manipulation
( The responsible authorities ban the use of substances and of methods that alter the integrity and validity of urine samples used in doping controls. Examples of banned methods are catheterization, urine substitution and/or tampering, inhibition of renal excretion. e.g. by probenecid and related compounds, and epitestosterone administration.)
III. CLASSES OF DRUGS SUBJECT TO CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS
C. Local anesthetics
Injectable local anesthetics are permitted under the following conditions:
(a) that bupivacaine, lidocaine, mepivacaine, procaine etc. are used but not cocaine.
Vasoconstrictor agents (e.g. adrenaline) may be used in conjunction with local aesthetics.
(b) only local or intra-articular injections may be administered;
(c) only when medically justified (i.e. the details including diagnosis, dose and route of
administration must be submitted immediately in writing to the relevant medical authority.
D. Corticosteroids
The use of Corticosteroids is banned except
(a) for topical use (aural, opthalmological and dermatogical) but not rectal;
(b) by inhalation;
(c) by intra-articular or local injection.
E. Beta-blockers
Some examples of beta-blockers are:
acebutalol
alprenolol
atenolof
labetalol
metoprolol
nadolol
oxprenolol
propranolol
sotalol
.... and related substances
EXPANDED LIST OF EXAMPLES
Caution: This is not an exhaustive list of banned substances. It is provided only to give the reader a more comprehensive list of banned substances. Many substances that do not appear on this expanded list are considered banned under the term "and related substances".
A. Stimulants
amfepramone metamfetamine
amineptine methoxyphenamine
amfetamine methylendioxyamfetamine
cathine methylephedrine
cropropamide nikethamide
crotetamide norphenfluramine
etamivan parahydroxyamfetamine
etilamfetamine pemoline
etilefrine phendimetrazine
fencamfamin phentermine
fenetylline phenylpropanolamine
fenfluramine pholedrine
heptaminol prolintane
mefenorex propylhexedrine
mephentermine pseudoephedrine
mesocarb salbutamol
strychnine
B. Narcotics
dextropropoxyphene
ethylmorphine
hydrocodone
morphine
pentazocine
pethidine
propoxyphene
C. Anabolic Agents
(1)Anabolic steroids
(2)Beta2-agonists
boldenone metenolone
clenbuterol methandriol
clostebol methyltestosterone
danazol mibolerone
dehydrochlormethyltest nandrolone
dihydrotestosterone norethandrolone
drostanolone oxandrolone
fluoxymesterone oxymesterone
formebolone oxymetholone
Insulin stanozolol
metandienone testosterone
trenbolone
Winstrol
anyway here is de hele lijst verboden middelen van het IOC, ABA, INBA en PNBA
Banned Substances & Policies
The following products are banned from the International Olympic Committee (IOC)
and the ABA/INBA/PNBA
This is not a complete list, as new products are introduced every day!
Natural Drug Free Requirements
All competitors must be drug free for amount of time allocated for the competition they are in- National and International Events have a minimum of five years drug free, unless stipulated differently. Drug testing is to conform to IOC regulated Standards.
Once your entry form is received you will be contacted to verify your appointment time for the polygraph test.
You must obtain two characters references attesting that you have been drug free depending on amount of time allocated for the competition.
You will be required to pay for your polygraph test. All overall winners will be required to take a urine test.
This includes all performance enhancing "drugs" that are on the IOC banned list.
All athletes must pass a polygraph test every 60 days (if they are competing) and also pass a mandatory urine test (division winners only).
We will also conduct random drug testing at each event as well as random testing to all members of the Natural Teams throughout the year.
Random drug testing for Team members will begin January 1st, 1999 and we will conduct a minimum of 1-2 tests per month.
If an athlete tests positive for a banned substance they will be suspended from competing for a minimum of two years (However, they are banned from all regional, national and international events for a period of five (5) years.)
Any member of the Natural Teams that is found experimenting with a banned substance will be banned from the team for life. The athlete suspension begins immediately upon receipt of a positive test. The athlete has the right to appeal the decision, however, the suspension remains in effect until either the "B" sample confirms or refutes the findings or a meeting is held by the representatives of the local federation and the International committee where the case may be appealed. Once a final ruling is made by the local and International INBA committee, then there is no second appeal.. In the case of an inaccurate reading on the polygraph test they will be obliged to undergo a urine test with a final decision pending a meeting of the INBA Committee."
Be advised that among the banned substances are ephedrine and its derivatives, DHEA and Andro and all of its derivatives. It is your responsibility to be aware of the substances that are on the banned list. Ignorance is not an excuse.
Official Banned Substances :
The following is a non-exhaustive list of banned and/or restricted substances. Please very with the appropriate IOC regulated body for a complete and up-to-date listing.
I. DOPING CLASSES
A. Stimulants
amiphenazole
amphetamines
amineptine
cocaine
ephedrine
fencamfamine
mesocarb
pentylentetrazol
pipradol
salbutamol & terbutaline (are permitted by inhaler only and must be declared to the relevant medical authority.)
NOTE: All imidazole preparations are acceptable for topical use, e.g. oxymetazoline. Vasoconstrictors (e.g. adrenaline) may be administered with local anesthetic agents. Topical preparations (e.g. nasal, ophthalmologic) of Phenylephrine are permitted.
B. Narcotic analgesics
dextromoramide
dextropropoxyphene
diamorphine
methadone
morphine
pentazocine
pethidine
.... and related substances
NOTE: Codeine, Dextromethorphan, Dihydrocodeine, Diphenoxylate and Pholcodine are permitted.
C. Anabolic agents
The Anabolic class includes anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) and Beta-2 Agonists.
1.Anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS)
The AAS class includes testosterone and substances that are related in structure and activity to it. They have been misused in sport to increase muscle strength bulk, and to promote aggressiveness.
Some examples of AAS are:
clostebol
fluoxymesterone
metandienone
metenolone
nandrolone
oxandrolone
stanozolol
testosterone *
... and related substances
Note: The administration of testosterone is banned. The presence of a testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) ratio greater than six (6) to one (1) in the urine of a competitor constitutes an offense unless there is evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition, e.g. low epitestosterone excretion, androgen production by tumor, enzyme deficiencies.
2.Beta-2 Agonists
Some examples of beta-2 Agonists are:
clenbuterol
salbutamol
terbutaline
saimeterol
fenoterol
.... and related substances
D. Diuretics
Some examples of diuretics are:
acetazolamide
bumetanide
chlorthalidone
ethacrynic acid
furosemide
hydrochlorothiazide
mannitol
mersalyl
spironolactone
triamterene
.... and related substances
E. Peptide and Glycoprotein hormones and analogues
1.Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG - human chorionic Gonadotrophin)
2.Corticotropin (ACTH)
3.Growth hormone (HGH, somatropin)
4.Erythrorpoietin (EPO)
… and related substances
II. METHODS
A. Blood doping
B. Pharmacological, chemical and physical manipulation
( The responsible authorities ban the use of substances and of methods that alter the integrity and validity of urine samples used in doping controls. Examples of banned methods are catheterization, urine substitution and/or tampering, inhibition of renal excretion. e.g. by probenecid and related compounds, and epitestosterone administration.)
III. CLASSES OF DRUGS SUBJECT TO CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS
C. Local anesthetics
Injectable local anesthetics are permitted under the following conditions:
(a) that bupivacaine, lidocaine, mepivacaine, procaine etc. are used but not cocaine.
Vasoconstrictor agents (e.g. adrenaline) may be used in conjunction with local aesthetics.
(b) only local or intra-articular injections may be administered;
(c) only when medically justified (i.e. the details including diagnosis, dose and route of
administration must be submitted immediately in writing to the relevant medical authority.
D. Corticosteroids
The use of Corticosteroids is banned except
(a) for topical use (aural, opthalmological and dermatogical) but not rectal;
(b) by inhalation;
(c) by intra-articular or local injection.
E. Beta-blockers
Some examples of beta-blockers are:
acebutalol
alprenolol
atenolof
labetalol
metoprolol
nadolol
oxprenolol
propranolol
sotalol
.... and related substances
EXPANDED LIST OF EXAMPLES
Caution: This is not an exhaustive list of banned substances. It is provided only to give the reader a more comprehensive list of banned substances. Many substances that do not appear on this expanded list are considered banned under the term "and related substances".
A. Stimulants
amfepramone metamfetamine
amineptine methoxyphenamine
amfetamine methylendioxyamfetamine
cathine methylephedrine
cropropamide nikethamide
crotetamide norphenfluramine
etamivan parahydroxyamfetamine
etilamfetamine pemoline
etilefrine phendimetrazine
fencamfamin phentermine
fenetylline phenylpropanolamine
fenfluramine pholedrine
heptaminol prolintane
mefenorex propylhexedrine
mephentermine pseudoephedrine
mesocarb salbutamol
strychnine
B. Narcotics
dextropropoxyphene
ethylmorphine
hydrocodone
morphine
pentazocine
pethidine
propoxyphene
C. Anabolic Agents
(1)Anabolic steroids
(2)Beta2-agonists
boldenone metenolone
clenbuterol methandriol
clostebol methyltestosterone
danazol mibolerone
dehydrochlormethyltest nandrolone
dihydrotestosterone norethandrolone
drostanolone oxandrolone
fluoxymesterone oxymesterone
formebolone oxymetholone
Insulin stanozolol
metandienone testosterone
trenbolone
Winstrol
Santoz
Freaky Bodybuilder
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Big_M
Dutch Bodybuilder
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- 22 dec 2004
- Berichten
- 516
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- 0
bartman
Competitive Bodybuilder
- Lid sinds
- 13 mrt 2004
- Berichten
- 2.729
- Waardering
- 486
- Lid sinds
- 30 sep 2004
- Berichten
- 5.445
- Waardering
- 73
- Lengte
- 1m87
- Massa
- 105kg
- Vetpercentage
- 15%
- Lid sinds
- 13 jul 2003
- Berichten
- 10.887
- Waardering
- 6
Black Knight zei:Oftewel je bent naturel als je geen zooi of doseringen gebruikt zoals die voorkomen op de lijst van het IOC.
Dus niet alleen roids.
In theorie is dat inderdaad geldig, maar in praktijk is het meestal grote bullshit. Ik gebruik ook regelmatig caffeïne voor de training, of soms sporadisch ephedrine op wedstrijden, maakt dat mij een gebruiker? Ik vind mezelf toch nog naturel ondanks deze "illegale" stoffen.
- Lid sinds
- 30 sep 2004
- Berichten
- 5.445
- Waardering
- 73
- Lengte
- 1m87
- Massa
- 105kg
- Vetpercentage
- 15%
Wat is een 'gebruiker'? Niet naturel wil niet direct zeggen dat je geen steroiden hoeft te gebruiken.MonsterStrength zei:
Op sommige naturel wedstrijden gaan ze zelfs nog verder, daar behoort creatine ook tot de verboden middelen.
Dacht dat caffeine trouwens al van de dopinglijst gehaald was.
johanheeze
Competitive Bodybuilder
- Lid sinds
- 19 apr 2005
- Berichten
- 2.742
- Waardering
- 30
- Lengte
- 1m87
- Massa
- 92kg
- Lid sinds
- 28 okt 2002
- Berichten
- 3.400
- Waardering
- 1
MonsterStrength zei:
Vertel dat maar tegen 3XL
- Lid sinds
- 15 nov 2002
- Berichten
- 50.099
- Waardering
- 2.652
- Lengte
- 1m79
- Massa
- 96kg
- Vetpercentage
- 21%
- Lid sinds
- 8 mei 2005
- Berichten
- 4.551
- Waardering
- 14
- Lengte
- 1m81
- Massa
- 88kg
- Vetpercentage
- 20%
Johny zei:
Ooit 1x gekuurd toch? JAREN geleden? En zijn winst was hij ook bijna direct weer kwijt (kan die post ff zo snel niet vinden, shit!).
Toch een big boss geworden, echt een role-model!
Santoz
Freaky Bodybuilder
- Lid sinds
- 28 jan 2004
- Berichten
- 5.259
- Waardering
- 0
- Lid sinds
- 5 apr 2005
- Berichten
- 13.529
- Waardering
- 11.762
- Lengte
- 1m71
- Massa
- 86kg
- Vetpercentage
- 10%
- Lid sinds
- 25 mrt 2004
- Berichten
- 14.298
- Waardering
- 252
- Lengte
- 1m86
- Massa
- 108kg
- Vetpercentage
- 17%
- Lid sinds
- 17 apr 2005
- Berichten
- 4.627
- Waardering
- 19
... damnit
Marky
Monstrous Giant
- Lid sinds
- 27 jun 2003
- Berichten
- 12.706
- Waardering
- 333
Ligt eraan vanuit wiens perspectief je het bekijkt of aan welke voorschriften van een bond je wil voldoen.
Zelf gebruik ik nog weleens stimulanten en (verboden) afslankmiddelen. Voor mij is iemand niet meer naturel als die een massakuur gedaan heeft met AAS. Maar cut kuurtje vindt ik dan weer wel naturel. Mwa, ieder moet voor zichzelf de grens trekken.
Zelf gebruik ik nog weleens stimulanten en (verboden) afslankmiddelen. Voor mij is iemand niet meer naturel als die een massakuur gedaan heeft met AAS. Maar cut kuurtje vindt ik dan weer wel naturel. Mwa, ieder moet voor zichzelf de grens trekken.
