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moet ik me wel of geen riem aanschaffen? ik doe squats, deathlifts en lunges en ik ben bang dat ik misschien men onderrug teveel zou belasten.
Bij welke oefeningen raden jullie dit aan?+ kost veel?...enzovoort
 
DAT HEB IK ME OOK AFGEVRAAGD veel powerlifters gebruiken riemen
 
Volgens mij kun je ze het beste zo min mogelijk gebruiken. Je moet je lichaam trainen zo veel mogelijk gewicht veilig aan te kunnen voordat je extra steun nodig hebt. Maar als je bv een maximale squat wil doen kun je ze gerust gebuiken
 
Door veel een riem te gebruiken gaat je onderrug niet stevig genoeg worden.
 
riem is goed.
alleen voor zware onderrug belastende oefeningen.
 
vanaf +-100kg gebruik ik een riem bij deadliften
 
gebruik nooit te veel je riem want dan maak je je rug en buikspierten zwak.
onder de 150kg deadlift bv heeft niemand een riem nodig.

ik gebruik er maar een vanaf 200kg

ook vind ik het onnozel om altijd door je knieen te gaan om iets op te pikken.
doe ik nooit!!!!

hoe meer je je rugspieren gewend maakt om te werken hoe minder blessuren als ze een onverwachte beweging moeten maken.

ik train nu al 14 jaar en heb nog geen enkele!!!! blessure gehad.

ook op mijn werk waar ik stukadoor ben en dus hele dagen zakken draag ben ik altijd vrij van blessures geweest.

dont make yourself weak

als je natuurlijk zwkke wervels hebt of zo ga dan eerst naar je dokter(maar geloof niet alles wat hij zegt)
 
gebruik nooit te veel je riem want dan maak je je rug en buikspierten zwak.
onder de 150kg deadlift bv heeft niemand een riem nodig.

ik gebruik er maar een vanaf 200kg

ook vind ik het onnozel om altijd door je knieen te gaan om iets op te pikken.
doe ik nooit!!!!

hoe meer je je rugspieren gewend maakt om te werken hoe minder blessuren als ze een onverwachte beweging moeten maken.

ik train nu al 14 jaar en heb nog geen enkele!!!! blessure gehad.

ook op mijn werk waar ik stukadoor ben en dus hele dagen zakken draag ben ik altijd vrij van blessures geweest.

dont make yourself weak

als je natuurlijk zwkke wervels hebt of zo ga dan eerst naar je dokter(maar geloof niet alles wat hij zegt)

ik denk niet dat hier veel leden zijn wat al meer dan 200kg liften hoor!
ikzelf blijf steken op 150kg

dus jij raad het af om al een riem te gebruiken dan?
 
Een riem is voor roffe deadlifters.
 
Geen riem is nog altijd het beste. Je moet er voor zorgen dat je alles mee traind. Enkel bij 1rm's squat en deadlift kun je er een gebruiken, maar dan nog ben je beter dat je het beperkt.

Ik train al jaren gewichtheffen en deed vroeger competitie. Op training gebruikte ik nooit superveel een riem, enkel op wedstrijd omdat je dan wel eens ver boven je pr's kunt komen.

Een riem verminderd ook de ontwikkeling van het dorso-abdominaal corset.

Bij beginners zou je eerder een lap moeten geven met hun riem. Je ziet dikwijls dat ze ook alle oefeningen met die riem doen. Nergens nodig voor!!
 
Geen riem is nog altijd het beste. Je moet er voor zorgen dat je alles mee traind. Enkel bij 1rm's squat en deadlift kun je er een gebruiken, maar dan nog ben je beter dat je het beperkt.

Ik train al jaren gewichtheffen en deed vroeger competitie. Op training gebruikte ik nooit superveel een riem, enkel op wedstrijd omdat je dan wel eens ver boven je pr's kunt komen.

Een riem verminderd ook de ontwikkeling van het dorso-abdominaal corset.

Bij beginners zou je eerder een lap moeten geven met hun riem. Je ziet dikwijls dat ze ook alle oefeningen met die riem doen. Nergens nodig voor!!

100% mee eens ;)
 
Het gaat er imo niet om of je een riem vanaf 150 of 200 gebruikt.
Ik zelf gebruik normaal gesproken een riem van 85% van m'n 1RM.
 
hmm ik gewbruik nog geen riem, simpelweg omdat mn squat en deadlift nog niet hoog genoeg zijn:)
 
Nog nooit eentje gebruikt.

Heel veel mensen zij zo angstig om zonder riem te liften...
 
Als je een keer de tijd hebt lees het dan eens door.

On The Use of Weight Belts
By Stuart M. McGill, Professor of Spine Biomechanics, University of Waterloo, Canada

A review invited by the National Strength and Conditioning Association
March 2005, Revised Sept 05

Scientific studies regarding the use of belts for athletic endeavours is scarce. Much more evidence and insight exists for the use of belts in occupational settings. The relevant information from occupational usage is discussed in this article and is blended with the limited work on athletic/performance use to form a position statement. Given the assets and liabilities of belt wearing, they are not recommended for healthy individuals either in routine work or exercise participation. However, the temporary prescription of belts may help some individual workers return to work. The exception is for extreme athletic lifting where belts appear to increase torso stability to reduce the risk of buckling and provide some elastic extensor recoil to assist with the lift. But the possible liabilities underscore the counterpoint to this proposition. The individual must make their own informed decisions on whether or not to wear a belt although guidance is provided here for their prescription and use.

The average person must be confused when they observe both Olympic lifters and back-injured people wearing back belts. A review of the documented effects of belt wearing in occupational settings (McGill, 1993) would support that:

• Those who have never had a previous back injury appear to have no additional protective benefit from wearing a belt.
• Those who are injured while wearing a belt seem to risk a more severe injury.
• Belts appear to give people the perception they can lift more and may in fact enable them to lift more.
• Belts appear to increase intra-abdominal pressure and blood pressure.
• Belts appear to change the lifting styles of some people to either decrease the loads on the spine or increase the loads on the spine.

Other opinions have been expressed regarding the mechanisms of belts, although few hold up to scrutiny. For example, some have suggested that belts perform the following functions:

• Remind people to lift properly
• Support shear loading on the spine that results from the effect of gravity acting on the handheld load and mass of the upper body when the trunk is flexed
• Reduce compressive loading of the lumbar spine through the hydraulic action of increased intra-abdominal pressure associated with belt wearing
• Act as a splint on the torso, reducing the range of motion and thereby decreasing the risk of injury
• Provide warmth to the lumbar region
• Enhance proprioception via pressure to increase the perception of stability
• Reduce muscular fatigue
• Provide stiffening to the torso to enhance performance

Many of these remain contentious.

The Recreational/Occupational Use of Belts

While there are guidelines for belt wearing for occupational use, sporting use requires a different approach. Occupational use is based on the premise of injury risk reduction while sporting use includes performance enhancement – to lift more for example. Previous recommendations for occupational use (see McGill, 1993, 1999, 2004) presented data and evidence that neither completely supported, nor condemned, the wearing of abdominal/back belts. Given the available literature, it would appear that the universal prescription of belts (i.e., providing belts to all workers in an industrial operation) is not in the best interest of globally reducing the risk of injury. Uninjured workers do not appear to enjoy any additional benefit from belt wearing, and in fact may be exposing themselves to the risk of a more severe injury if they were to become injured. Moreover, they may have to confront the problem of weaning themselves from the belt. However, if some individual workers perceive a benefit from belt wearing, they may be allowed to wear a belt conditionally, but only on trial. Having considered the scientific evidence for belt wearing for occupational and athletic use that the mandatory conditions for occupational/recreational prescription (for which there should be no exception) are as follows:

1. Given the concerns regarding increased blood pressure and heart rate and issues of liability, all candidates for belt wearing should be screened for cardiovascular risk by medical personnel.
2. Given the concern that belt wearing may provide a false sense of security, belt wearers must receive education on lifting mechanics. All too often, belts are being promoted as a quick fix to the injury problem. Promotion of belts, conducted in this way, is detrimental to the goal of reducing injury as it redirects the focus from the cause of the injury. Education programs should include information on how tissues become injured, techniques to spare the back, and what to do about feelings of discomfort to avoid disabling injury.
3. Consultants should not prescribe belts until they have conducted a full ergonomic assessment of the individual’s job, or a very thorough analysis of their training/lifting technique. Belts are no substitute for poor lifting technique. The ergonomic approach should examine, and attempt to correct, the cause of the musculoskeletal overload and provide solutions to reduce the excessive loads.
4. Belts should not be considered for long-term use. The objective of any small-scale belt program should be to wean workers from the belts by insisting on mandatory participation in comprehensive fitness programs and education on lifting mechanics, combined with ergonomic assessment. Furthermore, consultants would be wise to continue vigilance in monitoring former belt wearers for a period of time following belt wearing, given that this period appears to be characterized by an elevated risk of injury.
5. An analysis of the anatomy and biomechanics of the torso shows that there is a natural belt formed by the abdominal wall and the lumbodorsal fascia. Training the core musculature enhances the stabilizing effect of the “natural belt” by both strengthening the core and improving the motor control of these muscles so that they work as a team to enhance back stability.

Belt use for Serious Lifting Athletes

Much of the occupational evidence has relevance for athletic use of belts. There is no question that belts assist in generating a few more Newton-meters (or foot-pounds) of torque in the torso through elastic recoil of a bent torso that is stiffened with a belt. However, if a neutral spine is preserved throughout the lift this effect is diminished. In other words, to obtain the maximal effect from a belt, the lifter must lift poorly and in a way that exposed the back to a much higher risk of injury! There is no question that belts assist in generating torso stiffness to reduce the risk of spine buckling in extreme heavy lifts. Many athletes working at this edge of the envelope will receive this assist. However, other techniques are employed to maximize the torso stiffness – the lungs are filled to almost the top of tidal volume and the breath is then held. In some tasks, an athlete will only “sip” the air never allowing much air to leave the lungs that would reduce torso stiffness. Belts also increase intra-abdominal pressure which in turn increases the CNS fluid pressure in the spine and, in turn, the brain. This decreases the transmural gradient (the pressure difference between the arterial blood pressure in the brain vessels and the brain itself) which in turn may reduce the risk of aneurysm, or stroke. Others have argued that this effect has detrimental implications for venous return to the heart. There appears to be no evidence to suggest where the balance lies on this issue. There are other counter considerations. Evidence suggests that people change their motor patterns, together with their motion patterns when using a belt. The evidence suggests that these motor control changes can elevate the risk of injury should a belt not be worn in a belt-training athlete. The severity of a back injury may be greater if a belt is worn.

Many people adopt belts in training for one of three reasons:

• They have observed others wearing them and have assumed that it will be a good idea for them to do so.
• Their backs are becoming sore and they believe that a back belt will help.
• They want to lift a few more pounds.

None of these reasons are consistent with the objective of good health. It would appear that if one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to groove motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand a stable torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead individuals are encouraged to train the core musculature and to perfect lifting technique.

Natures Belt – A brief review of the anatomy

The abdominal wall formed by the lateral obliques (external and internal) and transverse abdominis creates hoop forces around the abdomen (see figure 1). These hoop forces are the reason why the rectus abdominis has a “beaded” appearance—the lateral tendons transmit the lateral forces from the oblique muscles forming a continuous hoop around the abdomen. Further the intermuscular tendons and rectus fascia prevent the fibers of rectus from being ripped apart laterally from these hoop stresses. Posteriorly, the obliques connect with the lumbodorsal fascia (LDF) completing the hoop, or belt. The resulting “hoop stresses” and stiffness assist with spine stability. Training of this mechanism has been extensively discussed in McGill (2004).

Scientific Studies

The scientific studies can be divided into clinical trials and those that examined biomechanical, psychophysical, and physiological changes from belt wearing.
Clinical Trials: Clinical trials have been conducted to examine the effectiveness of belts to reduce injury in workers who perform lifting tasks. These types of studies are difficult to conduct. For example, the Hawthorne effect is a concern, as it is difficult to present a true double-blind paradigm to participants since those who receive belts certainly know so. In addition, logistical constraints on duration, diversity in occupations, and sample size are problematic. However, the data reported in the better-executed clinical trials cannot support the practice of universal prescription of belts to all workers involved in industrial lifting to reduce the risk of low-back injury (for example, Reddell and colleagues, 1992, Mitchell and colleagues, 1994, Wassell and colleagues, 2000). Weak evidence suggests that those people already injured might benefit from belts with a reduced risk of injury recurrence. However, evidence does not appear to support uninjured workers wearing belts to reduce the risk of injury; in fact, the risk of injury seems to increase during the period following a trial of belt wearing. Finally, some evidence suggests that the cost of a back injury may be higher in workers who wear belts than in workers who do not.

Biomechanical Studies: Researchers who have studied the biomechanical issues of belt wearing have focused on spinal forces, intra-abdominal pressure (IAP), load, and range of motion. The most informative studies are reviewed in this section.

Two studies in particular (Harman et al.,1989, and Lander et al., 1992) suggested that wearing a back belt can increase the margin of safety during repetitive lifting. Both of these papers reported ground reaction force and increased intra-abdominal pressure while subjects repeatedly lifted barbells. It was only assumed that intra-abdominal pressure is a good indicator of spinal forces. However, several studies have questioned the hypothesized link between elevated intra-abdominal pressure and reduction in low back load. For example, using an analytical model and data collected from three subjects lifting various magnitudes of loads, McGill and Norman (1987) noted that a buildup of intra-abdominal pressure required additional activation of the musculature in the abdominal wall. This activity resulted in a net increase in low back compressive load and not a net reduction of load, as researchers had previously thought. In addition, Nachemson and colleagues (1986) published some experimental results that directly measured intradiscal pressure during the performance of Valsalva maneuvers, documenting that an increase in intra-abdominal pressure increased, not decreased, the low back compressive load. Therefore, the conclusion that an increase in intra-abdominal pressure due to belt wearing reduces compressive load on the spine seems erroneous. In fact, such an increase may have no effect or may even increase the load on the spine.

Several studies have put to rest the belief that IAP affects low back extensor activity. Our own study (McGill and colleagues, 1990) suggested that there was no change in activation levels of the low back extensors nor in any of the abdominal muscles (rectus abdominis or obliques).

Both Reyna and colleagues (1995) and Ciriello and Snook (1995) found belts provided no enhancement of function in terms of alleviating the loading of back extensor muscles or fatigue, but these trials were not conducted over a very long period of time.

Both Lantz and Schultz (1986) and McGill and colleagues (1994) observed the range of lumbar motions in subjects wearing low back orthoses and belts, respectively. Generally, the stiffness of the torso was significantly increased about the lateral bend and axial twist axes when belt wearing but not when subjects were rotated into full flexion.

A data set presented by Granata and colleagues (1997) supports the notion that some belt styles are better in stiffening the torso in the manner described previously—namely, the taller elastic belts that span the pelvis to the rib cage. Furthermore, these authors also documented that a rigid orthopedic belt generally increased the lifting moment, while the elastic belt generally reduced spinal load. Even in well controlled studies, belts appear to modulate lifting mechanics in some positive ways in some people and in negative ways in others.

Studies of Belts, Heart Rate, and Blood Pressure: Hunter and colleagues (1989) monitored the blood pressure and heart rate of five males and one female performing dead lifts and one-arm bench presses and riding bicycles while wearing and not wearing a 10-cm (4-in.) weight belt. During the lifting exercise, blood pressure (up to 15 mmHg) and heart rate were both significantly higher in subjects wearing belts. Given the relationship between elevated systolic blood pressure and an increased risk of stroke, Hunter and colleagues (1989) concluded that individuals who may have cardiovascular system compromise are probably at greater risk when undertaking exercise while wearing back belts than when not wearing them. Our own work (Rafacz and McGill, 1996) supports these conclusions. Anecdotally, belts and associated pressures may possibly be linked with higher incidents of varicose veins in the testicles, hemorrhoids, and hernias. As of this writing, there has been no scientific and systematic investigation of the validity of these suggestions. It may be prudent to simply state concern and test these ideas in the future.

Psychophysical Studies: Some scientists and coaches have expressed concern that wearing belts fosters an increased sense of security that may, or may, not be warranted. Studies based on the psychophysical paradigm allow subjects to select weights that they can lift repeatedly using their own subjective perceptions of physical exertion. For example McCoy and colleagues (1988) found that subjects were willing to lift by approximately 19% when wearing a belt. This evidence may lend some support to the theory that belts give people a false sense of security.

A Look to the future

Training for high performance usually requires high speed movement. Also critical for ultimate performance is timed and coordinated stiffness and joint stability. Consider the golf swing that epitomizes the contrast between controlled relaxed motion through the backswing and violent whole body stiffening at the instant of ball contact only to be followed by more relaxed follow through motion. The same contrast can be generalized for generating punching power and for the impressive “hit”in football, for example. The best athletes are able to generate motion but know when to stiffen with extremely rapid muscle activation together with rapid muscle relaxation. Techniques for training this skill involve selective plyometric exercise which is generally encumbered by wearing a belt. Thus, different considerations apply for speed training and belt usage is considered inappropriate.
Note: Adapted from thechapter on back beltsby Stuart McGill in:“Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance”, Wabuno publishers, 2004, Canada. Available from backfitpro.com - Home

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This article originally appeared in NSCA's Performance Training Journal, a publication of the National Strength and Conditioning Association. For a free subscription to the journal, browse to NSCA Performance Training Journal.
 
De meningen zijn gewoon heel erg verdeeld over wel of geen riem dragen.

Zelf gebruik ik een riem voor zware setjes dan durf ik toch iets verder te gaan dan anders, zonder riem geeft het me een rot gevoel in mijn onderrug..

Voor lichte setjes gebruik ik geen riem natuurlijk.
 
Nog nooit een riem gebruikt, net als handschoenen. Opzich geloof ik best dat het nuttig kan zijn, erg lastig als je broek afzakt tijdens een deadlift
 
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