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Dat wordt nog een hele interessante discussie!
Denk je dat je ZONDER AAS kunt bereiken? Ik denk dat dat alleen in combinatie met AAS, T3 etc mogelijk is waarbij AAS voor de grootste spiergroei zal zorgen

Wat denk je dat er met je organen gebeurt als je supergroot door GH wilt worden?

adrbeest zei:
Het duurt nog een jaar of 2 a 3 en dan zijn de meeste aan de gh. Het kan een stuk gezonder zijn maar voor optimaal resultaat heb je toch insuline en t3 en a.s. nodig en om het helemaal goed te doen ook nog igf.
Zodoende wordt het weer minder gezond voor je lichaam.
Maar wat je er mee bereikt als je het goed doet ken je echt niet vergelijken met a.s.
En je ken ook zelf bepalen wat je wil bereiken met je gh, super groot of atlheties of goed droog het zijn allemaal mogenlijkheden wat je kan bereiken mits je het goed doet.
 
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Maby een rare vraag maar gezien de topic starter zijn antwoord al heeft kan iemand niet ff de topic titel veranderen en maby een sticky vanmaken dit is best een leuke discusie.:D en in mijn geval leerzaam:P
 
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Serostim Growth Hormone:
How Much Muscle Does It Really Build?
by Michael Mooney (March 1, 1999 - Updated April, 2000)

Q. I am confused. You say that Serostim growth hormone is not very anabolic, but it seems like everyone else thinks it is. It's supposed to be something that is used when steroids don't work for someone who has AIDS, so it must be more powerful as an anabolic hormone.

A. This is incorrect. Let's dig a little deeper and get to the truth. Serostim growth hormone is promoted by its manufacturer to address wasting in HIV. Since wasting is the loss of lean body mass that precedes death, this is an important effect. And growth hormone does increase lean body mass, but exactly what does this mean? Don't assume that lean body mass means muscle.

Several studies of HIV(-) subjects indicate that growth hormone does not increase the portion of the lean body mass (LBM) that is known as muscle, even though growth hormone does increase "lean body mass". Note that LBM describes several compartments of tissue that include muscle, connective tissue, bone, organs, and water, too. These studies found that the increase in LBM with growth hormone in HIV(-) subjects consists of tissue other than muscle. Actually the increase in LBM appears to be mostly water, with perhaps a little connective tissue, and some organ tissue, too. (It should be underlined that organ tissue, like muscle tissue, wastes in HIV, and rebuilding of organ tissue by growth hormone could be an important effect that may improve overall health and survival.)

Summaries:

1. Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth in young men. Yarasheski KE; Campbell JA; Smith K; Rennie MJ; Holloszy JO; Bier DM. Am J Physiol, 262(3 Pt 1):E261-7 1992 Mar
In this study GH given at 2 to 4 times normal physiological levels (9 IU per day) did not produce significant muscle growth in HIV(-) young men who lifted weights. While there was an increase in LBM, this study showed that the LBM that was gained was basically not muscle, but water or other tissue.

Note that studies with anabolic steroids do show considerable muscle growth when given in doses that are this much higher than normal physiological doses. (See: Bhasin, S, et al. The effect of supraphysiological doses of testosterone on muscle size and strength in normal men. N Engl J Med (1996) 335(1):1-7, and Friedl, KE, et al. Comparison of the effects of high dose testosterone and 19-nortestosterone to a replacement dose of testosterone on strength and body composition in normal men. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol (1991) 40(4-6):607-612.

2. Effect of growth hormone and resistance exercise on muscle growth and strength in older men. Yarasheski KE; Zachwieja JJ; Campbell JA; Bier DM. Am J Physiol, 268(2 Pt 1):E268-76 1995 Feb
In this study there was also a lack of effect on muscle tissue, but in older men who lifted weights. The authors said: "The greater increase in fat free mass (FFM) with GH treatment may have been due to an increase in noncontractile protein and fluid retention." Note that "contractile protein" tissue is muscle, so "noncontractile" tissue could mean connective tissue like ligaments, or organs like kidneys.

3. Growth hormone effects on metabolism, body composition, muscle mass, and strength. Yarasheski KE. Exerc Sport Sci Rev, 22():285-312 1994
In this one the author said, "On the basis of the similar increases in muscle protein synthesis, muscle cross-sectional area, and muscle strength observed in placebo and GH-treated exercising young adults, it is doubtful that the nitrogen retention associated with daily GH treatment results in an increase in contractile protein, improved muscle function, strength and athletic performance."

While some people would question the validity of applying data gleaned from studies on HIV(-) subjects to HIV(+) subjects thinking that they must have very different responses to GH, anabolic response to GH in HIV(+) subjects has been described as being "comparable" to the HIV(-) subjects in her study by highly-respected Dr. Kathleen Mulligan of San Francisco General Hospital. (See: Anabolic effects of recombinant human growth hormone in patients with wasting associated with human immunodeficiency virus infection. Mulligan K, et al, J Clin Endo & Metab 1993;77(4): 956-962.)

GH's Real Value

In HIV(+) subjects we do have a somewhat different metabolism than the "normal" metabolism of someone who is HIV(-), and there is weak indication in some of the published data that a perhaps little of the LBM growth caused by growth hormone might actually be muscle growth in some HIV(+) subjects, but this has not been investigated in more depth, so this is still quite unclear.

Note that Serono, the manufacturer of Serostim has not allowed any study to be done of Serostim GH with exercising subjects. I assume that this is because they do not want people to know the truth -- they are trying to keep the issue of muscle growth confused so that they can sell more GH to people who have a false impression that Serostim increases muscle tissue or the effects of weight training on muscle tissue.

During the next two years we should see the publication of some studies with wasting HIV(+) people that will carefully analyze what kind of LBM is gained. The first information released from one of them did show that there was no muscle gained in HIV(+) people over 12 weeks. Read it at: HIV Study Shows No Muscle Growth From Serostim Growth Hormone.

While this might surprise some people because they believe that they have seen significant changes in the muscle tissue of friends who have used GH, consider that it is possible that GH's effect may actually only be that the person's muscle tissues hold more water so they look fuller, while the GH caused some loss of bodyfat, so the person's muscle have a better appearance. However, for its cost, these effects still don't make GH seem like an equitable compound.

It could also be that GH increases organ tissue, which may be a critical role that would improve survival in HIV. This needs to be studied though, and Serono has not funded any study that details this, perhaps important aspect.

If GH is shown to have little or no effect on muscle tissue growth or organ tissue under any circumstances, this wouldn't mean that GH has absolutely no value, as GH's effect on lipid oxidation (fat burning) may be its most important effect. But if it was proven to be true that GH promotes little or no muscle growth, then it shouldn't be used to try to grow muscle; anabolic steroids are proven to do that much more effectively.

GH should be used for GH replacement purposes, which means it should be part of the hormone "cocktails" that can address wasting or lipodystrophy (bodyfat redistribution syndrome). For someone who has wasted severely, sometimes growth hormone can effect a miraculous improvement that has been described as "life-saving." But this kind of effect can be caused by several things including improved hydration (water) in the muscles and the body, better burning of fat for energy, and an improvement in the health of organ tissues that are critical for overall health, like the kidneys or the heart.

It seems likely that GH would be better used in a lower replacement dose in combination with testosterone and perhaps an anabolic steroid, with the idea that these hormones could complement each other and become a "cocktail" that might have a better effect than any one of them alone could.

GH's place in addressing lipodystrophy appears to be mostly related to its role in adipocyte (fat cell) metabolism, which is an important part of possible treatments or treatment combinations for lipodystrophy. So consider GH for this use, but do not put your money on it doing what steroids can do to help you build up your arms, legs, or butt if they have wasted. Also consider that for whatever problem GH is used to address, the 4, 5, and 6 mg daily doses that Serono currently recommends cause side effects like joint aches and carpal tunnel syndrome in a majority of HIV(+) people because the doses are too high. (Most professional bodybuilders are cautious about using doses of GH greater than about 1.4 mg (~ 4 IU) because they know that they might suffer from severe joint aches.)

We have reports that HIV(+) people are experiencing a reduction in lipodystrophy symptoms like protease paunch with doses as low as 1 mg per day up to 3 mg per day without problems. Finding an appropriate dose is highly individual, though, so ask your doctor to help you find a lower dose that is effective but doesn't cause side effects.
 
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Case Study
Richard - A Seemingly Dramatic Response to hGH

We have also seen a few HIV-positive individuals who have a seemingly tremendous anabolic response to the use of high dose growth hormone, and much more so than they do to anabolic steroids. This can be deceptive.

For instance, one of the my close friends, Richard, who is 56 years old and has been extremely progressed in AIDS (several times near death), is an example of a person who appears to have a significant resistance to the effects of anabolic steroids, as steroids have not helped him gain as much lean body mass as some people do. In an attempt to help him gain weight his doctor put him on Serostim growth hormone and two weeks after he had started Serostim we were surprised to find that he had gained 18 pounds. (I even thought that I might have to re-assess my somewhat critical position on growth hormone.)

However, a few days into his third week he began to be overwhelmed by the problems he was having with side effects. He admitted that in his high hopes that growth hormone would be the magic bullet that it is advertised as he had down-played the fact that he had been experiencing extreme swelling and pain in his hands and other joints, numbness in his hands and arms when he slept, difficulty breathing when he climbed stairs and he was unable to sleep on his back because he felt like he was suffocating.

On examination his doctor found that most of the weight he had gained was water and determined that he was suffering from severe pulmonary edema (water in the lung tissues), so she immediately took him off of Serostim and admitted him to the hospital. After several critical medical procedures while he was in the hospital (he was almost given open-heart surgery) he recovered to live another day. His doctor said that it is unlikely that she would prescribe Serostim again.

I assert that this kind of situation can result from the use of the currently recommended 4, 5, and 6 mg doses that for most people are over-doses of growth hormone, and the fact that there is no preservative in Serostim's formulation, which deters people from lowering their dose to reduce the side effects. During the later part of 1998 we have had numerous reports of people solving this problem by mixing Serostim with Abbott bacteriostatic water instead of the sterile water that comes with Serostim. When bacteriostatic water is substituted, I am told that growth hormone will last for two weeks in the vial instead of 24 hours, as when the sterile water is used. Then the individual can ration out a lower daily growth hormone dose; one that does not produce side effects, but still produces beneficial effects. Ask your doctor to consider giving you a prescription for bacteriostatic water, and work with your doctor to find a dose that works for you.

Disclaimer: This article is provided for educational purposes only, and is in no way a substitute for the advice of a qualified medical doctor or a recommendation to do other than your doctor determines is best for you. You should present this information to your doctor for their analysis because appropriate medical therapy and the use of pharmaceutical compounds like anabolic steroids should be tailored by a knowledgeable doctor for the individual as no two individuals are alike. I do not recommend self-medicating with any pharmaceutical drug as you should consult with a qualified medical doctor who can determine your individual situation. If you use the information I present without the approval of your doctor, you do so strictly at your own risk and no responsibility is implied or intended on my part.
 
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Het is inderdaad allemaal off topic maar goed,gh ga ik in combinatie met, as en schildklierhormoon gebruiken,geen insuline erbij.Ik ken veel bodybuilders die er prachtige resultaten mee hebben geboekt,het zorgt ervoor dat het aantal spiercellen gaan vermeerderen wat niet het geval is met as alleen.Overigens is 92kg bij vetpercentage van %6 helemaal niet niet verkeerd.
 
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Ik heb nog geen antwoord op mn vraag gezien.Welke merk GH ui turkije?
 
Ja maar elmo als al die dingen bekent zijn en je wilt het toch gebruiken wat dan nog!!!!!!!
Ben wel eens benieuwt wat jij zoal gebruikt want je bent zo doorgeleert dat je zo en zo een grote kop moet hebben maar de rest betwijfel ik want je bent overal zo negatief over om te gebruiken, en als een beplaald goedje goed begint te werken ga je het weer blokken met een of ander middel.
Weet niet wat jou doelstellings is om te bereiken en of je dat al bereik heb??????
Maar er zijn er zat die veel verder willen en niet altijd op dat gezeik van jou zitten te wachten.
Wat voor kuren heb jij wel eens gedaan en heb je dat ook met onderzoeken gedaan zodat je zeker weet dat je het allemaal goed doet.
En ook de schade in je lichaam te bekijken door je gebruik hebt.
Wat al die theorieen zijn wel leuk en het zal ook best wel grotens deel waar zijn maar bij mij gaat de praktijk echt wel voor.

Groetjes.
 
Hormone vs. Testosterone

A Retrospective Based on the Latest Research
by Karlis Ullis, M.D. and Joshua Shackman, Ph.D.



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was one of the first private practitioners in the country to dispense growth hormone as part of an overall anti-program hormone replacement program for adults that fit the criteria of the "Adult Onset Growth Hormone Deficiency Syndrome". Like many other anti-aging physicians, I was extremely impressed by the initial research on growth hormone showing dramatic improvements in body composition, kidney function, skin, mood, well being, etc. I have been a member of the Growth Hormone Research Society for many years and have closely followed all the latest research on growth hormone and other adult hormone replacement therapies. As the number of studies on growth hormone as well as testosterone has piled up since I first began prescribing testosterone, I believe now is the time to look back at the research and see if growth hormone and testosterone have lived up to their promises.

It is well established in bodybuilding circles that testosterone is superior to growth hormone for gaining muscle. However, growth hormone still is enormously popular and generally has a better reputation than testosterone both in bodybuilding and in anti-aging circles. The general impression is that testosterone will make you big, but at the price of acne, puffiness, temper tantrums, prostate enlargement, and possibly "gyno". Well it is acknowledged that growth hormone is not as anabolic as testosterone, people still think of growth hormone as a hormone that will make you lean and toned with almost no side effects. Growth hormone also has a reputation as being the "fountain of youth" among anti-aging enthusiasts, whereas testosterone is still considered somewhat dangerous. The purpose of this article is to see how the research on testosterone and growth hormone from the last few years has supported or disputed the public’s view of these two hormones.


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Which is Better for Body Composition?

New research has shed some light on the anabolic effects of growth hormone. Several studies in the past have shown an increase in lean body mass in subjects taking growth hormone. However, lean body mass does not necessarily mean muscle, but anything that is not fat and this includes water, organ tissue growth, bone mass, and connective tissue growth. My friend Michael Mooney (author of Built to Survive and editor of the Medibolics Newsletter) has helped publicize the fact that not much, if any, of the lean mass gained while on growth hormone is actually muscle. One recent study on HIV positive test subjects showed no significant change in skeletal muscle mass after taking six milligrams (about 18 units) per day of growth hormone for 12 weeks.(1) Another study, also on HIV positive test subjects, also showed a lack of muscle growth when doses of nine milligrams (roughly 27 units) per day were given.(2) Keep in mind that HIV positive individuals are often suffering from muscle wasting conditions, which should make them more responsive to any possible anabolic effects of growth hormone. Growth hormone is probably equally ineffective in healthy individuals.

One study on young (aged 22-33), highly trained athletes did show a significant increase in lean mass after six weeks of taking 2.67 milligrams (about 8 units) per day.(3) However this increase was only 4%, and may have not included any muscle mass at all. It seems overwhelming clear that growth hormone is either non-anabolic or very weakly anabolic for skeletal muscle when taken by itself, and it definitely not worth the large price if you are taking it solely for gaining muscle. The only real use in gaining muscle may be as a synergistic agent with testosterone. A synergistic effect of taking growth hormone with testosterone has been reported for increases in lean mass, but further research needs to be done to see if this synergistic effects holds for skeletal muscle. Keep in mind that some increases in lean mass are not desirable. Growing some organs too big such as kidneys can produce some embarrassing effects seen in some professional bodybuilders. You do not want your "guts" sticking blatantly out of your body.

But enough on growth hormone for muscle gain. For information, see Bryan Haycock’s article in this issue or go to Michael Mooney’s web site. If you are going to spend the money on growth hormone to try to improve your body, your best bet is to use it as a fat loss or "sculpting" agent. The previously mentioned study with growth hormone on trained athletes did show an impressive 12% decrease in bodyfat. So well it is well established that testosterone is far, far better for building muscle than growth hormone, is growth hormone the better choice for fat loss? The research on this issue is mixed, and there is no easy answer to this question.

One recent study put growth hormone head to head with testosterone and measured its effects on fat loss. In this study, men on growth hormone lost an average of 13% of their bodyfat compared to 5.8% in the group taking testosterone.(4) But before you jump to conclusions, there are a couple of reasons why this study doesn’t settle the question. For one thing, this study was on very old individuals (aged 65 to 88) who had low IGF-1 and testosterone levels. Another problem is that the doses of the hormones haven’t been reported yet (the study is only in abstract form right now) which also makes the comparison difficult to make. Most interesting about this study was that a synergistic effect was found in a group taking both testosterone and growth hormone, as they lost an average of 21% of their bodyfat. This is more than the averages of the testosterone alone and growth hormone alone groups combined.

Not all studies have shown this dramatic of an effect on body fat. One study using fairly large doses (adjusted by weight, but roughly 5 mg per day) on obese women failed to show any significant effects on body fat.(5) The growth hormone group lost less than two pounds more than the placebo group over a one month period. The main significant result was that the growth hormone group lost much less lean mass (an average loss of 1.52 kg compared to 3.79 in the placebo). While this may seem impressive, the same results could be achieved with a caffeine/ephedrine formula at a fraction of the price. While there are a good number of studies showing growth hormone to be effective for fat loss, testosterone may be almost as good for this purpose.

Testosterone was recently found to be effective for fat loss in young men even in small doses. One recent study showed that men given only 100 milligrams per week of testosterone enanthate lost an average of six percent of their bodyfat after eight weeks.(6) 100 mg per week is generally considered a very low dose by bodybuilding standards. Most impressive about this study was that the result was obtained in young, normal healthy men (aged 18 to 45), not obese or testosterone deficient. Most of the studies showing positive effects with hormone replacement therapy are on subjects who are obese or hormone deficient – i.e. the very subjects most likely to respond. While the amount of muscle gain reported in this study was not reported (it is still just in abstract form), another study showed 100 mg per week of testosterone enanthate was not anabolic.(7) It appears that testosterone has a strong mechanism for fat loss other than increased metabolic rate from increased muscle. Considering how much cheaper testosterone is than growth hormone, it may well be the cost-effective choice for burning fat even if it is slightly less effective overall.


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Safety of Growth Hormone and Testosterone

Testosterone is widely believed to be far more dangerous than growth hormone. However, recent research is rapidly showing that much of these dangers have been exaggerated. For instance, the hypothesis that testosterone causes prostate cancer has never been established. In fact, one study even showed a slight negative correlation between testosterone levels and prostate cancer! A study on young men given supraphysiologic doses of testosterone showed no change is prostate specific antigen (PSA), which is one measure of prostate cancer risk.(8)

Growth hormone may also be less dangerous to the prostate than previously believed. One study showed strong positive correlation with prostate cancer and IGF-1 levels.(9) Since growth hormone stimulates IGF-1 synthesis in the liver, this study and others bring up the possibility of a link of growth hormone and prostate and breast cancer. Keep in mind that statistical correlations do not necessarily prove causality, i.e. IGF-1 has not yet been proven to be a cancer-causing villain. Actually IGF-11 may be one of the culprits in the cancer story, and not IGF-1. At the Serano sponsored Symposia on the Endocrinology of Aging in October, 1999 and at the Endocrine Society Meeting in June, 1999 there was an informal consensus that patients on growth hormone did not increase their risk of breast or prostate cancer. Several other recent studies have also cast doubt on the role of growth hormone as a cancer-causing villain.

Testosterone may have also gotten a bad rap for its effects on blood lipids. Since testosterone and other anabolic steroids have been shown in some studies to lower HDL cholesterol levels, it was believed that testosterone may increase the risk for heart disease. This was refuted in one recent study on testosterone that showed some positive results. A study on 21 hypogonadal men (aged 36 to 57) showed a replacement dose of testosterone using the Androderm transdermal patch to reduce blood clotting.(9) While HDL levels did drop slightly, blood coagulability is believed to be the more important marker of heart disease risk. Another study showed a very strong negative correlation with testosterone levels and heart disease.

Growth hormone has shown mixed results on its effects on heart disease risk. One study on elderly men and women (aged 65-88) showed that growth hormone administration to lower LDL levels, but raised triglyceride levels.(10) Since high LDL and triglyceride levels are considered measures of heart disease risk, growth hormone’s effects on heart disease risk are ambiguous. However, long-term use of growth hormone as been shown to decrease the thickness of the carotid artery lining – i.e. increased room for blood flow.

While much more research needs to be done, I am convinced right now that testosterone replacement therapy in hypogonadal men may be safer than excessively large doses of growth hormone. The long-term studies have not yet been done to test the true long-term effects of these hormones, but the research seems quite clear at the moment. Michael Mooney has reported similar results on safety and side effects of these hormones:

While none of the studies on testosterone or anabolic steroids used for HIV have documented any significant health problems associated with their proper therapeutic use, Dr. Gabe Torres' data on his patients who experienced a reduction in symptoms of HIV-related lipodystrophy with Serostim growth hormone showed that at the standard 5 and 6 mg doses, 80 percent of his HIV patients experienced significant side effects, that included elevated glucose, elevated pancreatic enzymes, or carpal tunnel syndrome. (1)


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Conclusion

Don’t get me wrong – I still use both growth hormone and testosterone as part of overall anti-aging programs in my patients. This article is not meant to say one hormone is "good" and another is "bad". It is just my opinion at the moment that the overall benefit/cost ratio for improving body composition is higher with testosterone than growth hormone. By cost, I mean both the monetary price – testosterone is far cheaper than growth hormone, and the side effect/safety profile – testosterone is safer than high-dose growth hormone use.

Since growth hormone is extremely expensive and perhaps riskier than testosterone, I screen patients very carefully and only recommend it to those who either have very low IGF-1 levels and fail growth hormone stimulation tests, or those who have failed to respond to testosterone or other therapies. The new research has also made me confident in encouraging more and more patients to go on testosterone. However, we must keep constant track of the new research to better refine both anti-aging and bodybuilding programs. The science of hormone supplementation is still in its infancy, and there is still a lot more questions that need to be answered
 
hardbody zei:
Ik heb nog geen antwoord op mn vraag gezien.Welke merk GH ui turkije?

dutch windmill zei:
Norditropin van Novo Nordisk zul je vinden in de grote apotheken..als je een lading in wilt slaan hoop ik dat je drie weken in turkije bent want ze zullen het voor je moeten bestellen..kosten ong. 20 euro per 4IU..

Grt Rico

LEZEN hardbody. Hoe ga je trouwens de GH meenemen. HGH moet gekoeld bewaard worden omdat het anders zijn werkzame stof verliest
 
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Growing Beyond What Nature Intended - Growth Factors Take us to the Next Level of Sophistication in Bodybuilding
by Bryan Haycock, MS, CSCSBryan is founder of Hypertrophy-Specific Nutrition. .

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Part 1 of 3

Part I: Mechanism of Action for Growth Hormone and Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF)
Part II: Role of Androgens on GH Secretion and IGF-1 Sensitivity
Part III: GH, IGF-1, Insulin, and Thryoid to Enhance Anabolic Effects of Androgens

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Mechanisms of Action for Growth Hormone (GH) and Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1)

Warning: The following information is intended only as a hypothetical consideration of ways in which human physiology may be altered, through pharmacological means, to achieve striking muscularity. The drugs discussed in this series of articles are, by and large, prescription drugs and should not be used without the supervision of a qualified physician. No attempt should be made to circumvent the laws in your area to obtain these drugs without a prescription. As always, Meso-Rx does not condone in any way the illegal acquisition and/or use of prescription drugs for purposes other than those approved by the FDA or other legally recognized regulatory bodies.

Bodybuilding is a gaudy demonstration of human accomplishment. The attitude that comes with it reminds me of the Baroque cathedrals of Europe where every inch of artistry shouts, "More is better"! At the same time, bodybuilding is a subculture, as well as a science. It is a multi-disciplinarian science including physiology, biology, endocrinology, metabolism, cellular physiology, genetics, molecular biology, and we mustn’t forget, pharmacology. The list of scientific fields pertaining to bodybuilding is extensive.

I view bodybuilding contests as a county fair of sorts. When I ponder the present status of professional bodybuilding I often imagine seeing prize winning cattle being brought before hoards of voyeuristic onlookers, marveling at the spectacle of seeing something beyond what nature intended.

As a bodybuilder I can’t help but think of all the time, energy, food, genetic tinkering and drugs that went into creating such an impressive muscle bound specimen. Here, at the fair, growing prize winning cattle is not a question of morality or ethics, but rather a manifestation of dedication, the proper application of knowledge, and perhaps a display of financial resources. The things done to the animal to make it grow bigger, leaner and faster are, for the most part, seen as beneficial. I hold bodybuilding in the same arena as this. Using drugs, and one day soon genetic tinkering, to grow the human body bigger, leaner, in half the time is not, in and of itself, a question of morality, but rather an exercise in scientific accomplishment. It is an expression of human understanding in the scientific fields heretofore mentioned in order to gain control of the natural world around us, or in this case, within us.

So why is it that bodybuilding fails to be recognized as a legitimate area of scientific inquiry among most peer review scientific journals? The answer is complicated, certainly too philosophical to get into here. For our purposes lets just say that bodybuilding fails to present sufficient value to our society to be officially recognized as something worth devoting time and federal moneys to. In the mean time, scientists will continue to borrow from the tools and practices of bodybuilding to explore their own respective, and respected, areas of research. We as bodybuilders will have to be satisfied, for the time being, gathering up table scraps from laboratory bench tops to accomplish our goals.

This article will present a holistic picture of some of the most recent scraps to fall our way from the halls of academia. The focus will be on the proper application of human growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) for the purpose of building muscle. This information will be presented in such a way as to describe how these growth factors might be incorporated into traditional protocols consisting mainly of androgens. It is important while reading this to remember that my perspective on bodybuilding will undoubtedly effect the way I present this information. I do not in any way condone cheating to win a contest, or breaking state or federal laws to accomplish your goals. Instead, I am simply sharing knowledge with current, or potential, users with appropriate access to anabolic substances.


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The GH/IGF-1 Axis

Your body’s GH levels are tightly regulated by numerous chemical messengers including macronutrients, neurotransmitters, and hormones. The signal to increase your body’s GH levels starts in the hypothalamus. There, two peptide hormones act in concert to increase or decrease GH output from the pituitary gland. These hormones are somatostatin (SS) and growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH). Somatostatin acts at the pituitary to decrease GH output. GHRH acts at the pituitary to increase GH output. Together these hormones regulate, in pulsatile fashion, the level of GH you have floating around in your body (see Fig. 1).



Several factors can effect this delicate balance. First, GH is subject to negative feedback in response to its own release. GH, as well as IGF-1, circulate back to the hypothalamus and pituitary to increase SS release, thereby decreasing GH release. GH may also act in an autocrine and paracrine (i.e. Effecting the source cells and neighboring cells without having to enter the circulation) fashion within both the hypothalamus and pituitary.

Neurotransmitters also effect GH levels at the hypothalamus. This neuroendocrine control is still being elucidated but some factors are already clearly involved (see table 1).

Table 1.

Tabel ontbereekt sorry
Nutrition and metabolic factors also modulate GH levels. A fall in blood glucose such as during exercise or during sleep causes an increase in GH secretion. High protein feedings increase acute GH secretion. Some amino acids such as L-arginine seem to increase GH by decreasing SS release from the hypothalamus. Even the vitamin Niacin has been shown to increase exercise induced GH release by 300- 600%(Murray, 1995). In this particular study there were four separate trials where 10 subjects cycled at 68% VO2 max for 120 min followed by a timed 3.5-mile performance task. Every 15 min during exercise, subjects ingested 3.5 ml./kg lean body weight of one of four beverages: 1) water placebo (WP), 2) WP + 280 mg nicotinic acid.l-1 (WP + NA), 3) 6% carbohydrate-electrolyte beverage (CE), and 4) CE + NA. Ingestion of nicotinic acid (WP + NA and CE + NA) blunted the rise in free fatty acids (FFA) associated with WP and CE; in fact, nicotinic acid ingestion effectively prevented FFA from rising above rest values. The low FFA levels with nicotinic acid feeding were associated with a 3- to 6-fold increase in concentrations of human growth hormone throughout exercise. The question remains, does this dramatic, yet temporary, increase in GH lead to a greater training effect? It may lead to greater glycogen storage capacity but other than that, we really don’t know.

Caloric restriction dramatically reduces serum levels of IGF-1 yet at the same time increases GH release. This mechanism effectively helps the individual adapt metabolically without having anabolic actions which would potentially hasten death by starvation. It is important to understand that GH can either be anabolic or catabolic. When nutrient intake is high, GH secretion is increased leading also to increased levels of IGF-1, IGFBP3 and insulin. The main role of GH under these conditions is to increase anabolism through local growth factors like IGF-1 and insulin. Conversely, when nutrient intake is low, GH is again increased. But this time there is no concomitant increase in IGF-1, IGFBP3, or insulin. Under these circumstances GH is acting as a catabolic hormone increasing the utilization of fat for fuel thus sparing body glucose yet having no muscle building effects. This behavior of the GH/IGF-1 axis is part of what makes it so difficult to build muscle while dieting. It should be noted that locally produced IGF-1 in skeletal muscle responds normally to training while dieting. This makes heavy poundages a must when trying to get ready for a show without the use of drugs.


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Growth Hormone: How does it work?

It is always prudent to have a basic understanding of how a supplement, hormone or drug works to build and/or preserve muscle before considering its use. The knowledge of how a hormone acts in the body is necessary to make your own decisions and manage your own regimens if you plan on utilizing it. Without this understanding you will no doubt end up wasting a lot of money and perhaps put your health at risk.

It has been long believed that GH exerts its anabolic effects on peripheral tissues through IGFs, also known as somatomedins ("mediator of growth"). Binding proteins play an important role in moderating the anabolic effects of both GH and IGF-1. IGF-1 is controlled by at least 6 different binding proteins and there may others waiting to be elucidated. To date there are a couple theories as to just how GH causes growth in target tissues. The first theory is called the somatomedin hypothesis (Daughaday, 1972).

The Somatomedin hypothesis states that GH is released from the pituitary and then travels to the liver and other peripheral tissues where it causes the synthesis and release of IGFs. IGFs got there name because of there structural and functional similarity to proinsulin. This hypothesis dictates that IGFs work as endocrine growth factors, meaning that they travel in the blood to the target tissues after being released from cells that produced it, specifically the liver in this case. Indeed, many studies have followed showing that in animals that are GH deficient, systemic IGF-1 infusions lead to normal growth. The effects were similar to those observed after GH administration. Interestingly, additional studies also followed that showed IGF-1 to be greatly inferior as an endocrine growth factor requiring almost 50 times the amount to exert that same effects of GH (Skottner, 1987). Recently rhIGF-1 has become widely more available and is currently approved form the treatment of HIV associated wasting. This increased availability allowed testing of this hypothesis in humans. Studies in human subjects with GH insensitivity (Laron syndrome) has consistently validated the somatomedin hypothesis (Rank, 1995; Savage, 1993).

The second theory as to how GH produces anabolic effects is called the Dual Effector theory (Green, 1985). This theory states that GH itself has anabolic effects on body tissues without the need of IGF-1. This theory has been supported by studies injecting GH directly into growth plates. Further evidence supporting this theory lies in genetically altered strains of mice. When comparing mice who genetically over express GH and mice who over express IGF-1, GH mice are larger. This evidence has been sited by some to support the dual effector theory. Interestingly, when IGF-1 antiserum (it destroys IGF-1) is administered concomitantly with GH, all of the anabolic effects of GH are abolished.

The Somatomedin theory and the Dual Effector theory are not all that different. One simply asserts that GH can produce growth without IGF-1. From the research I am inclined to believe in the Somatomedin theory. This only becomes an issue when one decides whether or not to use just GH or to combine it with IGF-1 or insulin.

From the evidence currently available you can count on three major mechanisms by which GH leads to growth (Spagnoli, 1996).

The effects of GH one bone formation and organ growth are mediated by the endocrine action of IGF-1. As stated in the Somatomedin hypothesis, GH, released from the pituitary, causes increased production and release of IGF-1 into the general circulation. IGF-1 then travels to target tissues such as bones, organs, and muscle to cause anabolic effects.
GH regulates the activity of IGF-1 by increasing the production of binding proteins (specifically IGFBP-3 and another important protein called the acid-labile subunit) that increase the half-life of IGF-1 from minutes to hours. Circulating proteases then act to break up the binding protein/hormone complex thereby releasing the IGF-1 in a controlled fashion over time. GH may even cause target tissues to produce IGFBP-3 increasing its effectiveness locally.
IGF-1 not only has endocrine actions, but also paracrine/autocrine actions in target tissues. This means that as GH travels to my muscles, the muscle cells increase there production of IGF-1. This IGF-1 may then travel to adjacent cells (especially satellite cells) leading to growth and enhanced rejuvenative ability of cells that didn’t see any GH. This is as suggested by the Dual Effector theory.

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IGF-1: How does it work?

To understand how IGF-1 works you have to understand how muscles grow. The ability of muscle tissue to constantly regenerate in response to activity makes it unique. It’s ability to respond to physical/mechanical stimuli depends greatly on what are called satellite cells. Satellite cells are muscle precursor cells. You might think of them as "pro-muscle" cells. They are cells that reside on and around muscle cells. These cells sit dormant until called upon by growth factors such as IGF-1. Once this happens these cells divide and genetically change into cells that have nuclei identical to those of muscle cells. These new satellite cells with muscle nuclei are critical if not mandatory to muscle growth.

Without the ability to increase the number of nuclei, a muscle cell will not grow larger and its ability to repair itself is limited. The explanation for this is quite simple. The nucleus of the cell is where all of the blue prints for new muscle come from. The larger the muscle, the more nuclei you need to maintain it. In fact there is a "nuclear to volume" ratio that cannot be overridden. Whenever a muscle grows in response to functional overload there is a positive correlation between the increase in the number of myonuclei and the increase in fiber cross sectional area (CSA). When satellite cells are prohibited from donating new nuclei, overloaded muscle will not grow (Rosenblatt,1992 & 1994; Phelan,1997). So you see, one important key to unnatural muscle growth is the activation of satellite cells by growth factors such as IGF-1.

IGF-1 stimulates both proliferation (an increase in cell number) and differentiation (a conversion to muscle specific nuclei) in an autocrine-paracrine manner, although it induces differentiation to a much greater degree. This is in agreement with the Dual Effector theory. In fact, you can inject a muscle with IGF-1 and it will grow! Studies have shown that , when injected locally, IGF-1 increases satellite cell activity, muscle DNA content, muscle protein content, muscle weight and muscle cross sectional area (Adams,1998).

On the very cutting edge of research scientists are now discovering the signaling pathway by which mechanical stimulation and IGF-1 activity leads to all of the above changes in satellite cells, muscle DNA content, muscle protein content, muscle weight and muscle cross sectional area just outlined above. This research is stemming from studies done to explain cardiac hypertrophy. It involves a muscle enzyme called calcineurin which is a phosphatase enzyme activated by high intracellular calcium ion concentrations (Dunn, 1999). Note that overloaded muscle is characterized by chronically elevated intracellular calcium ion concentrations. Other recent research has demonstrated that IGF-1 increases intracellular calcium ion concentrations leading to the activation of the signaling pathway, and subsequent muscle fiber hypertrophy (Semsarian, 1999; Musaro, 1999). I am by no means a geneticist so I hesitated even bringing this new research up. In summary the researchers involved in these studies have explained it this way, IGF-1 as well as activated calcineurin, induces expression of the transcription factor GATA-2, which accumulates in a subset of myocyte nuclei, where it associates with calcineurin and a specific dephosphorylated isoform of the transcription factor nuclear factor of activated T cells or NF-ATc1. Thus, IGF-1 induces calcineurin-mediated signaling and activation of GATA-2, a marker of skeletal muscle hypertrophy, which cooperates with selected NF-ATc isoforms to activate gene expression programs leading to increased contractile protein synthesis and muscle hypertrophy. Did you get all that?

In this the first part of "Growing beyond what nature intended" we have discussed the role, function and interaction of growth hormone and insulin-like growth factor-1 in tissue growth. This is referred to collectively as the GH/IGF-1 axis. We learned that this axis is controlled by negative feedback meaning that GH, after being released, circulates back to the hypothalamus and pituitary to effectively stop further GH release. We learned that circulating IGF-1 has the same inhibiting effect on GH release. We discussed very briefly the role of neurotransmitters in regulating GH release through growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH) and somatostatin (SS). We even touched on the nitty gritty details of just how IGF-1 does its magic on muscle cells. I’m afraid I may have disappointed a few of you waiting for the "how to" section of this article. Never fear, in part II you will learn about the effects of these hormones as well as androgens, insulin and thyroid hormones when given, individually and combined, to previously healthy individuals. I will remind you that this article is not intended to encourage you put your health at risk, or to break the law by acquiring and using these substances illegally. As always, the goal Meso-Rx is not to condone the use of performance enhancing substances, but to educate by providing unbiased information about all aspects of high level sport performance and bodybuilding



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The Role of Androgens in Growth Hormone (GH) Secretion and Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) Sensitivity

Warning: The following information is intended only as a hypothetical consideration of ways in which human physiology may be altered, through pharmacological means, to achieve striking muscularity. The drugs discussed in this series of articles are, by and large, prescription drugs and should not be used without the supervision of a qualified physician. No attempt should be made to circumvent the laws in your area to obtain these drugs without a prescription. As always, Meso-Rx does not condone in any way the illegal acquisition and/or use of prescription drugs for purposes other than those approved by the FDA or other legally recognized regulatory bodies.

Bodybuilding is all about building muscle. In some arenas, this calls for whatever means necessary to grow bigger and leaner then anyone has before. Human progress together with fickle audiences demand that bodybuilders show up bigger and more unnatural looking year after year. As a spectator sport/culture, these two forces are critical to the future of bodybuilding. What would become of bodybuilding if you didn’t have to be bigger and leaner to place higher than you did the year before? I’ll tell you what would happen, audiences would dwindle, the money would dry up, competitors would get small and soft, and the hunger, the drive, the passion, for ever more powerful and massive physiques would extinguish, succumbing to the undertow of the seemingly homoerotic men’s fitness movement.

I left you with a bit of a teaser in the last installment by promising that you would learn just how to incorporate GH and IGF-1 into a bodybuilding regimen to achieve results far beyond what nature intended. Let me make it clear from the onset that GH and/or IGF-1, when used by themselves, are not nearly as effective as esterified androgens. You may ask, "Then why bother with GH or IGF-1 at all?" The answer is simple. There is a limit to how large you can grow with traditional androgen only regimens. This is not to say that a person cannot be successful in bodybuilding without the use of growth factors. That would be blatantly false. On the contrary, some guys can grow to very respectable proportions with androgens alone. My question to you is, "Must we, or more realistically, will we, stop there?" The history of science and man’s need to "go where no man has gone before" tells us that we will indeed continue to push the limits of nature and human evolution.

In part I of this article we described the mechanisms by which growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-1) exert their effects on the body. The overwhelming majority of GH’s anabolic effects are realized through IGF-1 who’s production it stimulates in the liver and other peripheral tissues. GH levels are control by the hypothalamus which can either increase or decrease GH release from the pituitary by way of growth hormone releasing hormone (GHRH) or somatostatin (SS) respectively. The interrelationship between GH levels and IGF-1 levels is called the GH/IGF-1 axis. This axis is effected not only by GHRH and SS but also through negative feedback. GH and IGF-1, once released into circulation, travel back to the hypothalamus and pituitary to stop further GH release. GH and IGF-1 may also cause autocrine and paracrine negative feedback within the very cells of the pituitary and other tissues and organs that produce the hormones.


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A holistic approach to optimally stimulate skeletal muscle growth

Androgens are only one of several mechanisms by which the body regulates muscle size and strength. If the goal is to grow as much muscle as humanly possible, one would be foolish not to ignore the other hormones, growth factors, and genes responsible for human muscle development. It would be like relying solely on the carburetor to make a dragster go faster. Sure, a bigger carburetor will significantly increase potential horsepower, but it will go even faster if you can increase the compression, alter the gear ratio, use more combustible fuels, use light weight materials, improve the aerodynamics, even adding computers has shown to be invaluable to achieve maximum performance from these machines. The human body is no different with respect to the need for a multi-system approach in order to achieve maximum performance.

Despite what we now know about GH and IGF-1, androgens are, for now, going to be the primary component of any hormone regimen. Androgens rely on the androgen receptor (AR) to activate genes associated with muscle growth and remodeling. Although there is only one known androgen receptor, different androgens are able to bring about different physiological effects by virtue of their ability to stabilize the receptor.1 For example, most of you are familiar with testosterone and its 5-a -reduced sibling dihydrotestosterone (DHT) (For a more detailed discussion of enzymatic conversion of steroid hormones see, Enzymatic Conversions and Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids by Bill Roberts). It is believed that DHT is primarily responsible for male pattern balding. If their is only one AR, how come DHT is able to accelerate hair loss while plain testosterone has only minimal effects? The answer lies in the fact that DHT is able to stabilize, or remain attached to the AR much longer than testosterone. This difference in association/dissociation properties of the two androgens gives rise to their diverse effects in your body.

It is important to remember that androgens not only have physiological effects by virtue of the intracellular androgen receptor but also through steroid hormone binding proteins (SHBP). Most people will tell you that only free testosterone is biologically active. This is false. Steroid hormones have what are referred to as nongenomic actions. These effects are believed to be the result of SHBP actually embedded in the cell membrane of target tissues, thus acting as a second messenger system, similar to the way in which catecholamines work.2,3 (For a more detailed discussion of second messenger systems, see Pharmacological approaches to fat loss: Targeting the beta adrenergic receptor). It is well known among steroid specialists, and many users, that not all synthetic derivations of testosterone produce the same results, unit per unit. In fact, when not using standard testosterone products, you can achieve synergy between different drugs. One example might be to combine methandrostenolone (Dianabol) with nandrolone decanoate (Deca). Using the two together produces more gains in size and strength than dose using either alone. This is not the result of simply increasing the quantity of steroids in the system. If total units of steroid remain constant, a combination of the two drugs is more effective than either alone. The ability of steroid hormones to interact at the cell surface gives rise to the secondary effects of some drugs such as stanozolol (Winstrol) and oxymetholone (Anadrol®) among others.

Another important property of androgens is their propensity to aromatize. This process involves the removal of a methyl group resulting in the conversion of testosterone into estrogens. This process is accomplished through the aromatase or P450 enzyme system (once again I would refer you to Enzymatic Conversions and Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids by Bill Roberts for more information). This may sound like something very undesirable but in reality it is critical to getting maximum growth from androgen administration.


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Androgens that boost GH/IGF-1 levels

Although this isn’t exactly an article about androgens per se, they play an integral role in the modulation of GH when trying to put on more size. In order to understand this relationship we must look back to those awkward years of pimples, sore nipples, and rapid growth. No, I’m not talking about your first testosterone cycle, I’m talking about puberty. During puberty there is a disruption in your body’s ability to accurately regulate GH levels leading to increased GH, IGF-1, and insulin levels. This combined with elevated testosterone production characterizes puberty. Research has shown that this disruption is caused by the aromatization of testosterone as well as some direct actions of androgens.4,5,6,7,8 In a recent study by Fryburg9 the effects of testosterone and stanozolol were compared for their effects on stimulating GH release. Testosterone enanthate (only 3 mg per kg per week) increased GH levels by 22% and IGF-1 levels by 21% whereas oral stanozolol (0.1mg per kg per day) had no effect whatsoever on GH or IGF-1 levels. A couple of notes about this study. It was only 2-3 weeks long and although stanozolol did not effect GH or IGF-1 levels, it had a similar effect on urinary nitrogen levels. Urinary nitrogen is fraught with confounding variables when used to determine skeletal muscle anabolism and/or catabolism and thus should not be considered an accurate indicator of skeletal muscle growth. Using labeled tracer amino acids as well as 3-methylhistidine is a far more reliable way of determining actual contractile protein synthesis and breakdown respectively. Nevertheless, this study may well explain the observation that many bodybuilders do not respond as well to testosterones with complete estrogenic blockade.

Too much Cytadren or especially Arimidex will prevent gyno and probably a little water bloat, but it will also cut into your muscle gains by virtue of a less robust GH burst activity and lower subsequent IGF-1 levels. In vitro have also shown that some androgens increase muscle satellite cells sensitivity to fibroblast growth factor and IGF-1.10 Remember that satellite cells are required for a muscle cell to grow. Bovine muscle satellite cells were able to fuse 20% more readily when treated with trenbolone and estradiol.11,12 One may surmise that it was not only the trenbolone but also the estradiol that was causing the significantly increased feed efficiency and muscle growth by way of increased GH and IGF-1 production both in the liver as well as in muscle cells. From these studies it is clear that IGF-1 is critical to get maximum anabolic activity from androgens. This means that androgens that increase GH production (i.e. those that aromatize to some degree) will most likely give you the greatest and most rapid gains in muscle mass.


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Which androgens are tops for BIG gains?

So the question now stands, which androgens are best with consideration to GH for maximum muscle tissue growth? Well, the answer is probably the testosterones, specifically esterified versions such as enanthate, cypionate, etc.. Esterification of the testosterone molecule increases it’s lipid solubility and leads to a more prolonged release of the drug into the blood stream after deposition in fat tissue. However, the down side to these products is there high incidence of side effects. As explained above, their ability to aromatize and thus increase GH and IGF-1 levels is, in my opinion, part of what makes them superior mass and strength drugs compared to nonaromatizable drugs such as methenolone (Primobolan), stanozolol (Winstrol), and oxandrolone (Anavar) among others. The conversion of testosterone to DHT may also be of some benefit in performance as DHT is known to alter intracellular Ca+ levels through nongenomic mechanisms (i.e. without the androgen receptor). The effect is neurological stimulation, or a sense of well being and mental endurance during intense training.

Obviously the beneficial properties of testosterone esters are inseparably linked to the negative side effects such as male pattern baldness and gyno. The very best remedy for this is to shave your head and to surgically remove the offending gyno once and for all. Surgery can even turn out to be financially cost effective when comparing the cost of real antiestrogens/aromatase inhibitors over the course of several years.

I believe that the testosterones are sufficiently anabolic to use by themselves, nevertheless, if one wanted to combine another steroid with a testosterone I would recommend trenbolone acetate because of its high affinity for the androgen receptor and its very successful application in human as well as animal husbandry (love those beefy cows). Of course, for a larger specimen of say a lean 240-250 pounds under 6 feet tall, a combination of a testosterone ester as your base (800 mg per week), and then adding Deca (300-400 mg per week) and Winstrol Depot (just enough to favorably combat the progesterone induced side effects of the Deca i.e. 50mg per day) would undoubtedly give good results but you are looking at quite a hit to the pocket book for legitimate products. All in all, you want to combine a drug that aromatizes, and then add those that don’t if you can afford it. That way you can control the side effects simply by adding complimentary antiestrogens, or if worse comes to worse, decreasing the dose of the aromatizing drug while maintaining the dose of the secondary anabolics. Each individual will be slightly different in their propensity to develop estrogen related side effects so the appropriate course of action may differ from one person to the other. If not using these drugs on a continual basis it is desirable to take a break from the testosterone esters, in which case any non-aromatizable drug would work though I think trenbolone would be a good first choice for most people. There are other sources for planning drug cycles and I would recommend you read them if you are a intermittent user (see Bill Roberts' Anabolic Pharmacology Archives). It may be that you don’t have access to the testosterones I mentioned above. It may also be that you simply disagree with my high opinion of the testosterones. This being the case I suggest you turn to the valuable and extensive contributions of Bill Roberts to Meso-Rx for more information on other possible combinations.


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Addressing unwanted side effects

When using testosterones to boost GH and thus IGF-1 it is not necessary to go completely without complimentary antiestrogens and/or estrogen antagonists. A good approach is to use a combination of aminoglutethimide (Cytadren) an aromatase inhibitor, and clomiphene (Clomid) an estrogen antagonist.

Assuming that you are not exceeding 600-800 milligrams of Testosterone per week I would suggest taking only 1/4 tablet of Cytadren, 2-3 times per day, or every 8-6 hours respectively. This may be less than would be necessary to completely block estrogen related side effects. When using an aromatase inhibitor, the idea is not to completely block aromatization, but to keep it within a reasonable rate. Clomid may also be necessary especially if taking higher doses of testosterone or exogenous IGF-1. IGF-1 is known to have lead to gyno in some cases involving the elderly.13,14 This is presumably because of its ability to co-activate estrogen receptors in breast tissue. The usual practice when taking Clomid is to take a higher dose on the first day and then reduce the dose thereafter. Like Deca, Clomid’s long half life leads to an accumulative effect when taken daily. Once again I would recommend a dosing pattern slightly below the usual. Take one 50 milligram tablet three times per day on the first day, then ½ tablet per day thereafter. If side effects become unbearable on this dosing pattern, increase the antiestrogen (i.e. Clomid) first, then the aromatase inhibitor (i.e. Cytadren).

Finally, it may be necessary to add a small bit of finasteride to the mix in the form of Proscar or Propecia. However, I would prefer that you try Nizoral combined with Minoxidil first. If that is not enough, add the finasteride. Just how much depends on how bad you are losing your hair and how much you value coïtusual performance. If using Proscar, try taking one half tablet (2.5 mg) per day. It isn’t necessary to take with meals. If using Propecia, just take one tablet per day.

In this the second installment of "Growing Beyond What Nature Intended" we learned that GH and IGF-1 play a complimentary role in the anabolic effects of testosterone. I am not alone in this opinion, in fact, leading researchers in the field attest that GH and thus IGF-1 are absolutely necessary for the full anabolic expression of androgens.9 This explains why some steroids simply out perform others. Those that do not interact with the GH/IGF-1 axis are not able to facilitate the anabolic activity of androgens and thus give you less than stellar gains in mass and strength. Generally, those drugs that do not aromatize will not optimally increase tissue production of IGF-1 and thus are inferior at increasing the activity of muscle satellite cells which are so critical to adaptive muscle growth.


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We’re not finished yet...

Here’s what you can look forward to in the next installment of "Growing Beyond What Nature Intended". Learn why previous reports of GH’s effects have been disappointing to say the least. Learn under which conditions that using GH in addition to androgens may be useful. Learn how IGF-1 can be used to sculpt a less than genetically gifted physique. Think you need insulin to look like a pro? Find out the truth. Finally, learn how to use thyroid medications to grow, rather than shrink, your physique. Until then, train smart and train heavy.



Het volgende artikel gaat over hoe GH de effecten van AAS kunnen verbeteren deel 3

Part 3 The Feasibility of Using GH, IGF-1, Insulin, and Thryoid to Enhance the Anabolic Effects of Androgens

Warning: The following information is intended only as a hypothetical consideration of ways in which human physiology may be altered, through pharmacological means, to achieve striking muscularity. The drugs discussed in this series of articles are, by and large, prescription drugs and should not be used without the supervision of a qualified physician. No attempt should be made to circumvent the laws in your area to obtain these drugs without a prescription. As always, Meso-Rx does not condone in any way the illegal acquisition and/or use of prescription drugs for purposes other than those approved by the FDA or other legally recognized regulatory bodies.

In the first installment of this series we discussed the mechanism by which human growth hormone (GH) exerts its anabolic effects in the body. We also discussed the important role of insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) in the anabolic properties of GH. In part two we discussed the role of androgens in GH secretion and sensitivity in a hypothetical pharmacological regimen aimed at dramatically increasing skeletal muscle growth. Based on research looking at the effects of androgens on GH secretion and IGF-1 sensitivity, it was deduced that the testosterone esters should provide the most potent anabolic stimulus compared to other androgens, especially those that do not aromatize. Now, in the final installment, we shall look at the feasibility of using GH, IGF-1, Insulin, and perhaps tri-iodothyronine (T3) to enhance the anabolic properties of androgens.


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Growth hormone

What would an article about GH be without some useful discussion of GH! First let me quote a well known bodybuilding advisor named Daniel Duchaine;

"Wow, is this great stuff! It is the best for permanent muscle gains....People who use it can expect to gain 30 to 40 pounds of muscle in ten weeks."

(Duchaine D. Steroid Underground handbook for men and women. Venice, Ca: HLR Technical Books, 1982, p.8)

As many of you may know, GH has not lived up to Mr. Duchaine’s expectations or any body else’s. Mr. Duchaine later recanted his previous enthusiasm.

"I’d guess that almost 90% of all athletes taking STH [growth hormone] got no anabolic results from it (this includes at least two Mr. Olympia competitors). "

(Ultimate muscle mass, edited by Dan Duchaine. Mile High Publishing, Golden Co., 1993, p.20)

So what happened? A lot of people have been trying to figure that out. Research on GH has exploded over the last 15 years. This has been possible in that, for the last decade or so, GH has been produced through less expensive and labor intensive recombinant technology. In fact, there are so many studies looking at GH that I could not possibly address them all. Instead, I will try to focus on those few studies involving healthy young subjects and some sort of exercise when possible.

To put it bluntly, studies involving GH and healthy young men show that although circulating IGF-1 is elevated with GH therapy there is little or no change in muscle protein synthesis rates (1,2,3). Deysigg (1) looked at the effect of recombinant GH on strength, body composition and endocrine parameters in power athletes. Subjects received in a double-blind manner either GH treatment (0.09IU/kg/day) or placebo for a period of six weeks. To avoid confounding factors such as concurrent us of steroids, urine specimens were tested at regular intervals for these substances. Fat mass and lean body mass were derived from measurements of skinfolds at ten sites. GH, IGF-I and IGF-binding protein were in the normal range before therapy and increased significantly in the GH-treated group. Fasting insulin concentrations increased insignificantly and thyroxine levels decreased significantly in the GH-treated group. There was no effect of GH treatment on maximal strength or body composition.

Other studies have observed similar results. Yarasheski (2) conducted a 12 week study with sixteen men (21-34 yr) assigned randomly to a resistance training plus GH group (n = 7) or to a resistance training plus placebo group (n = 9). Both groups trained all major muscle groups in an identical fashion while receiving 40 µg GH/kg/day or placebo. Fat-free mass (FFM) and total body water increased in both groups but more in the GH recipients. Whole body protein synthesis rate increased more, and whole body protein balance was greater in the GH-treated group, but quadriceps muscle protein synthesis rate, torso and limb circumferences, and muscle strength did not increase more in the GH-treated group. In the young men studied, resistance exercise with or without GH resulted in similar increments in muscle size, strength, and muscle protein synthesis. The larger increase in FFM with GH treatment can simply be attributed to an increase in total body water. In this study as well as the previous one, resistance training supplemented with GH did not further enhance muscle growth or strength.

Later, Yarasheski performed a similar study but this time he used experienced weight lifters (3). Skeletal muscle protein synthesis and the whole body rate of protein breakdown were determined using labeled amino acids ([13C]leucine) in 7 young healthy experienced male weight lifters before and at the end of 14 days of subcutaneous GH administration (40 µg/kg/day). GH administration doubled fasting insulin-like growth factor-I levels, but did not increase the rate of muscle protein synthesis or reduce the rate of whole body protein breakdown. These findings confirm what others have found, namely that short-term GH treatment does not increase the rate of muscle protein synthesis or reduce the rate of whole body protein breakdown.

You may argue that in the real world, bodybuilders don’t use GH alone. It is generally combined with some form of anabolic steroid. Unfortunately I was unable to find a controlled study looking at the effectiveness of combining androgens and GH in healthy athletes for the purposes of building muscle. There is one study however that looked at the effects of combining both very high doses of androgens (up to 2.4 mg/kg/day) with or without concomitant GH use (4IU/day) (4). In all cases, using androgens with GH caused a significant decline in IGFBP3 levels. As you know, this dramatically decreases the half life of IGF-1 and thus the biological activity is attenuated. One other very enlightening finding of this study was that on a low calorie diet, it didn’t matter how much androgens or GH they were using, both IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 declined significantly. Clearly the effectiveness of any cycle using androgens with or without GH will be greatly diminished by lowering calories, and more importantly total protein. Still, the one question you may have, namely does high dose androgens make GH worth using, was not addresses by this study. The consensus generally is still no.

In HIV patients work is being done to determine if GH or androgens will prevent wasting. In these studies Deca Durablolin and other androgens have proven successful at preserving lean mass while GH has not proven to be effective (4). Concerning GH treatment in unhealthy populations, Michael Mooney, a well respected authority on HIV and muscle preservation, has challenged the claims made by at least one manufacturer of a GH product called Serostim. He wrote a letter to them challenging their claims that Serostim or any other brand of GH has true anabolic effects in this population.

"I underline that the only study of Serostim that included a critical evaluation of changes in muscle tissue to date showed no change and muscle using MRI (magnetic resonance imaging). All other studies so far have used Bioelectric Impedance Analysis, which measures lean body mass (LBM), but can not accurately measure changes in muscle. At the Third International Conference on Nutrition and HIV Infection at Cannes, France, April, 1999, Donald Kotler, M.D., of St. Lukes-Roosevelt Medical Center in New York reported the results of an interim analysis of a 6-month open-label trial of Serostim growth hormone. Dr. Kotler's data showed that 6 mg of Serostim per day did not promote a significant change in muscle tissue during the first 12 weeks in the 8 subjects for whom repeat MRI data were available. Several other studies with various HIV-negative populations have also shown no apparent improvement in muscle tissue."

So even in unhealthy populations, GH treatment does not increase muscle tissue growth. The final word on current methods of using subcutaneous GH and muscle growth is that it does not enhance muscle growth beyond what is accomplished by resistance exercise in healthy individuals.


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MK-677?

But...keep your eye out for a new GH secretagogue called Merck-677 or simply MK-677. A secretagogue is a substance that isn’t GH itself, but instead causes the body to increase it’s natural GH release. One thing that is unique about MK-677 is that it works within the body’s natural GH secretion patterns, as opposed to simply causing bolus and sudden increases in circulating GH. As mentioned earlier, negative feedback has been one of the main problems with using GH for muscle growth in adults. MK-677 is orally active (no more needles), it isn’t a protein based hormone yet it mimics GHRH and increases GH levels in a pulsatile fashion. Early studies have already shown it to reverse diet induced muscle loss in healthy adults (5). In fact, a single oral 25 mg dose per day was all that was needed to reverse muscle wasting during caloric restriction (18Kcal/kg/day). Merck will be trying to find as many applications for this drug as possible. Very interesting. Yes,...very interesting.


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IGF-1

IGF-1, or insulin-like growth factor-1, is known to be the mediator of GH anabolic effects so it is natural that it would also be investigated as an anabolic. As it turns out, IGF-1 is indeed anabolic. IGF-1's anabolic effects are limited only by amino acid supply within muscle cells (6,7) . In essence, the more you eat, the more you grow with IGF-1. Unfortunately, simply elevating serum IGF-1 has not proven to be anabolic in healthy individuals (1,2,3). In addition, the side effects of using significant dosages make using pure IGF-1 prohibitive. IGF-I does not naturally exist in quantity free of its binding proteins, and limitations associated with administering free IGF-I (i.e. Long R3IGF-1) therapeutically have proven significant: acute insulin effects (e.g. hypoglycemia), suppression of growth hormone secretion, edema, hypotension, tachycardia, very short circulating half life, and limited and transient efficacy at safe dosage levels (8,9,10). LR3IGF-I has very low affinity for the IGF-binding proteins in the rat and hence is cleared from the circulation more quickly than is IGF-I. Yet because it stays free from binding proteins it is generally more potent unit per unit. However, the extremely short half life has made it impractical for muscle growth.


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Somatokine?

When IGF-I is bound to binding protein-3 (BP3), as it is in nature, it does not display these acute limitations. Furthermore, BP3 appears to be critical in the regulation of the release of IGF-I to target tissue sites, where the hormone is active only when needed. There is some confusion among athletes that IGF-1 binding proteins actually limit the effectiveness of IGF-1. In reality, IGFBP3 is necessary to prevent IGF-1 from being cleared from the system. IGFBP3 extends IGF-1's half-life from minutes to hours. BP3 is also a necessary part of the existing system which uses the binding protein and an acid labile subunit (ALS) which is broken down at target tissue, releasing the IGF-1 when and where it is needed.

So what is Somatokine? A company called Celtrix pharmeceuticals produces only one product, namely Somatokine. In fact, the company hasn’t even received FDA approval yet, though late phase testing is proving to be very promising (Data privately held by Celtrix). According to Celtrix feasibility studies looking at muscle function, muscle wasting, diabetes, osteoporosis, and cardiac function all show promise with minimal to insignificant side effects. Celtrix is gambling their entire financial future on this drug. Somatokine is simply an rhIGF-1 peptide complexed with the IGFBP3 protein and the ALS.

Until Somatokine or similar product becomes available, using isolated rhIGF-1 for muscle growth is simply impractical, ineffective, and certainly not cost effective. The only exception might be as a locally applied anabolic. In a study using rats (11), a relatively "unloaded" muscle, the anterior tibialis, was injection with 0.9 - 1.9 MICROGRAMS/kg/day of rhIGF-1 which then mimicked the effects of physically loading the muscle, increasing its mass by ~9% without exercise. There was an increase in protein content, cross sectional area and DNA content. The increase in muscle DNA is presumed to be a result of increased proliferation and differentiation of satellite cells which donate their nuclei upon fusion with damaged or hypertrophying muscle cells. Take note that the quantities of IGF-1 used in the injections were extremely small, much smaller than studies that have shown relatively poor results from administering IGF-1 systemically which range from 1.0 to 6.9 milligrams/kg/day.

Getting IGF-1 inside the muscle as apposed to in the blood has shown to be extremely anabolic in another exciting animal study using viral mediated gene therapy (12). In this study, a recombinant adeno-associated virus, directing overexpression of insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) in mature muscle fibers, was injected into the muscles of mice. The DNA that was originally in the virus was removed along with markers that stimulate immune response. DNA coding for IGF-1 was then put into the virus along with a promoter gene to ensure high rates of transcription. The results were dramatic causing a 15% increase in muscle mass and a 14% increase in strength in young adult mice, once again, without additional exercise. Obviously this technology is not going to be available to bodybuilders any time soon, nevertheless, it’s exciting to consider the possibilities.


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Keeping everything working, . . .or so we thought: Insulin & T3

Form the very onset let me say that I cannot in good conscience recommend that a body builder use insulin. This trend started a few years ago when some prominent people touted insulin as the mother of all anabolic hormones. Certainly if this were the case, type-II diabetics using huge amounts of insulin would not be bulging with fat, but instead bulging with muscles. Insulin is not anabolic in adult humans. Although extreme hyperinsulinemia has been shown to stimulate protein synthesis in isolated limb infusion experiments (13), these anabolic properties are ultimately the result of insulin binding to IGF-1 receptors. It was also used in a last ditch attempt to get GH to work, the rational being that maybe GH wasn’t working because of the concomitant insulin resistance. Unfortunately taking more and more insulin to combat GH induced insulin resistance leads to secondary negative side effects associated with hyperinsulinemia. Hyperinsulinemia causes the smooth muscles in your blood vessels to grow until the vessel openings become too small, predisposing yourself to a heart attack. By the way, the leading cause of death of type-II diabetics using insulin is from cardiovascular problems. In general, most bodybuilders are fooled by the tremendous increase in glycogen and water storage, making them feel "fuller". The natural insulinogenic effect of carbohydrates combined with a fast protein like whey isolate is sufficiently anabolic in high quantities to induce dramatic glucose and amino acid uptake in muscle tissue. I can’t say as though I blame people though, when the gains stop coming and you’ve just taken out a second mortgage to pay for this GH, you find yourself willing to try anything. Nonetheless, throwing caution to the wind is not the answer.

Thyroid hormones, on the other hand, offer significant benefits when used cautiously and "properly". They should not be used haphazardly as a fat loss agent however, instead they are valuable in correcting thyroid dysfunction brought on by androgen use. When done properly, T3 is used as "replacement therapy" and serves only to normalize decreased T3 levels. Research has shown that high dose androgens pushes T3 levels down (14,15). This is significant because the real value of optimal thyroid levels is not for fat loss, but instead for optimum anabolic activity. T3 has diverse facilitative anabolic effects including, increasing GH secretion(16,17), up-regulating GH receptors (18), up-regulating IGF-1 receptors (19,20), and other less well defined anabolic effects (21,22). Don’t get the wrong idea however, for T3 to facilitate anabolism, it must stay in the high normal range. A little too high or a little too low significantly changes the biological effects of thyroid hormones. Bringing T3 levels too high will undoubtedly backfire and lead to muscle, strength losses, and rebound fat gain.

You will need regular blood tests to determine the optimal dose of T3 (e.g. Cytomel) to bring you up to the optimum range. If you are unwilling, or do not have access to, regular blood work I would not recommend using T3. The old "take your morning temperature" recommendation is simply too inaccurate. Most people use way too much T3 and cause more problems than anything else. However, if you are willing to take care of yourself while optimizing muscle gains, have your free T3 checked before using any T3, yet during your full dose androgen regimen. Try to bring your free T3 levels up to ~7.0-7.4 pmol/L. Your doctor may use conventional units on your blood work which means it will read in "pg/dL". If that’s the case bring your levels up to about 450-480 pg/dL. Doing this will allow optimal caloric intake while minimizing fat gain, as well as optimize the anabolic actions of the androgens you are using.

In summary, GH acting primarily through IGF-1 is a very powerful anabolic hormone. So powerful that the body has set in place complex systems to control the anabolic effects of both GH and IGF-1 in order to prevent unnatural muscle growth. These systems have thwarted our attempts at using bolus injections of GH and IGF-1 in their isolated forms to grow beyond what nature intended. Hope may be on the horizon however, as new ways of increasing GH levels (e.g. MK-677) that more closely matches naturally occurring secretion patterns show promise, as well as new forms of IGF-1 that are identical to naturally occurring forms (e.g. Somatokine) show more predictable anabolic properties with fewer side effects. Initial results are indeed promising and could lead to the emergence of a mandatory addition to our present androgen-based regimens.
 
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nou ELmo dat is geen antwoord op de vrag van Adrbeest :rolleyes:
 
Ja maar elmo als al die dingen bekent zijn en je wilt het toch gebruiken wat dan nog!!!!!!!

Dan neem je dat toch lekker !!!

Ben wel eens benieuwt wat jij zoal gebruikt want je bent zo doorgeleert dat je zo en zo een grote kop moet hebben maar de rest betwijfel ik want je bent overal zo negatief over om te gebruiken, en als een beplaald goedje goed begint te werken ga je het weer blokken met een of ander middel.

Ik gebruik voornamelijk mijn kop, daar verdien ik ook m'n geld mee.
Stom he, dat blokken! Vooral niet doen jongen.

Maar er zijn er zat die veel verder willen en niet altijd op dat gezeik van jou zitten te wachten.

Ieder z'n doelgroep. Wel typisch dat wanneer het kritisch en confronterend wordt, je meteen gaat roepen dat iemand zeikt. Ik veroordeel niemand. Je mag lekker doen wat jezelf wilt kerel. Maar er zijn ook mensen die aan later denken en met beleid hun cycli plannen.

Ik weet dat het vervelend voor je is om te moeten constateren dat je dingen doet zonder goed ingelicht te zijn. Het voelt voor jou als een afwijzing, een veroordeling. Zo is het echter niet bedoeld!

Als je mijn posts inzake GH had gelezen en begrepen zouden we een inhoudelijke discussie kunnen hebben. Maar laten we het vanaf nu aub inhoudelijk over dingen hebben.

I still love you
 
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Bedankt voor de info.
 
hardbody zei:
Omdat ik dat wil gebruiken in combinatie met AS voor mn volgende kuur.

kijk elmo....dit was geloof ik de 3e post en volgens mij kan het niet duidelijker dan dit............dus waarom ga jij dan over ghsolo onderzoeken beginnen? :(

ik heb het natuurlijk over combi met aas dus vandaar dat ik jouw onderzoekje als 3e rangs bestempelde.

de ervaringen en werking van gh IN COMBI met aas zijn alom bekend dus als er dan weer een zgn nieuw onderzoek is geweest word ik alweer een btje moe bij de gedachten wat mensen nu weer gaan roepen terwijl ze er vd rest weinig vanaf weten.
 
Zoals je al zei, ieder z'n mening. Het mooie van een BB-board is de discussie. De voors en de tegens. De diepgang, zodat iedereen er iets van kan meepikken. Dan past de uitdrukking 3e rangs niet en zeker niet in relatie tot GH hormonen. Als je de artikelen leest zul je trouwens zien dat het niet alleen gaat over GH solo maar ik snap je opmerking.

Feit is wel dat de werking van GH zwaar wordt overdreven en dat de beste resultaten in combinatie met AAS worden behaald, waarbij de AAS dan het meeste invloed hebben op de spiergroei.
De kosten/baten-verhouding van GH deugt gewoon niet.
Ik weet niet waar jij je kennis vandaan haalt, maar zouden er geen onderzoeken zijn geweest, dan zou je er ook niks vanaf weten behalve van horen zeggen of je eigen expirimenten. (met ongewisse inwendige uitwerkingen)

Greetzzzzz




ariekanarie zei:
kijk elmo....dit was geloof ik de 3e post en volgens mij kan het niet duidelijker dan dit............dus waarom ga jij dan over ghsolo onderzoeken beginnen? :(

ik heb het natuurlijk over combi met aas dus vandaar dat ik jouw onderzoekje als 3e rangs bestempelde.

de ervaringen en werking van gh IN COMBI met aas zijn alom bekend dus als er dan weer een zgn nieuw onderzoek is geweest word ik alweer een btje moe bij de gedachten wat mensen nu weer gaan roepen terwijl ze er vd rest weinig vanaf weten.
 
dat het kosten/baten plaatje waardeloos is,ben ik helemaal met je eens,bro.

ik ben ook met je eens dat gh absoluut geen wondermiddel is maar als je alles goed voor elkaar hebt kan je ongelofelijk mooie resultaten boeken.

dat weet ik uit honderden uren lezen op internet en ik spreek uit eigen ervaring en alle ervaringen van mn vrienden en kennisen.

en dat inwendig groeien van organen is iets dat je meer aan igf-1 kan toeschrijven dan aan gh.

een goede discussie is het mooiste wat er is....i just love it! :D
 
ariekanarie zei:
ik ben ook met je eens dat gh absoluut geen wondermiddel is maar als je alles goed voor elkaar hebt kan je ongelofelijk mooie resultaten boeken.

:D
idd dus niet zomaar iets aan nemen en zelf op onderzoek gaan :D
Ik denk dat ik het ook ooit ga gebruiken maar zit nu nog in de leer en obseveer mode :P
 
Elmo een beetje flauw om over iemands zijn spellingscapaciteiten te gaan zeiken. dat noem ik namelijk geen discussieren...Sommige jongens zijn op hun 15e gaan werken terwijl anderen lekker tot hun 25e op de door pa en ma betaalde universiteit hebben gezeten. Dat wil dus helemaal niets zeggen over de kennis die deze mensen al dan niet zouden hebben..

De meeste schrijvers voor de Sport en Fitness hebben ook Drs.- Ir. of Dr. voor hun naam staan..Nederlandse Letterkunde of weet ik veel wat voor vage studies..wil dat zegen dat ze verstand van doping hebben???

Dus graag niet meer van dat soort uitlatingen want ik wil het hier graag gezellig en leerzaam houden voor iedereen...

Ik zit nu in Engeland maar zal van het weekend je geplakte stukjes even lezen om daar inhoudelijk op terug te komen..

Grt. Rico
 
'T is al goed. Ik heb het ge-edit. Maar wie kaatst kan de bal terug verwachten, dus het respekt moet van beide kanten komen!
dutch windmill zei:
Elmo een beetje flauw om over iemands zijn spellingscapaciteiten te gaan zeiken. dat noem ik namelijk geen discussieren...Sommige jongens zijn op hun 15e gaan werken terwijl anderen lekker tot hun 25e op de door pa en ma betaalde universiteit hebben gezeten. Dat wil dus helemaal niets zeggen over de kennis die deze mensen al dan niet zouden hebben..

De meeste schrijvers voor de Sport en Fitness hebben ook Drs.- Ir. of Dr. voor hun naam staan..Nederlandse Letterkunde of weet ik veel wat voor vage studies..wil dat zegen dat ze verstand van doping hebben???

Dus graag niet meer van dat soort uitlatingen want ik wil het hier graag gezellig en leerzaam houden voor iedereen...

Ik zit nu in Engeland maar zal van het weekend je geplakte stukjes even lezen om daar inhoudelijk op terug te komen..

Grt. Rico
 
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