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Hoe kan het eigenlijk dat best grote groeperingen met tanks en armoured vehicles massaal de grens zijn overgestoken op meerdere plekken? Ik heb gelezen dat ze o.a. via bossen maar ook gewoon via een grensovergang zijn doorgestoken.

Als 2 buurlanden met elkaar in oorlog zijn en deze invasie in de lijn der verwachting lag, waarom hebben ze over heel die grenssteook geen mijnen(velden) aangelegd en andere defense shizzle geplaatst? Ze hebben daar 2 jaar de tijd voor gehad.
 
Because so much is happening at once, Suriyak is scrambling to get confirmations and to update the map, so the usual colouring has been left off. They've said the colouring will be updated later, so bear with it for now.

Area figures for this update:

Picture 1: Advance = 37.86km2

Picture 2: Advance = 1.32km2

Total Russian Advance (Gross) = 39.18km2 (NEW RECORD)

(Picture 1) The long awaited Russian Northern offensive has finally kicked off, after months of rumours and speculation. Russia begun the offensive with hours of intense bombing and shelling early in the morning (starting approximately 2 or 3am), before beginning its ground attack at about 11am local time. The usage of glide bombs (FABs) has been at its highest since they first saw mass usage towards the end of the battle for Avdiivka, with the Russian Airforce having carried out missions non-stop for over 24 hours (as of writing this comment). Artillery and MLRS usage has also been intense, with large volumes of shelling on the larger settlements and Ukrainian positions.

To immediately temper expectations and claims by both Pro-RU and Pro-UA: The developments that have happened so far were completely expected. Neither Ukraine nor Russia actually hold the border with soldiers right on the line itself, but many Kms back. It is essentially a grey zone (buffer) on either side, and Russia is now advancing, taking over the Ukrainian side of the grey zone. This does not mean that Ukraine has not suffered losses, but its certainly not a 'breakthrough' of any kind. Most of Ukraine's trenchlines and bunkers were built further back, closer to the city of Kharkiv itself.

The initial attacks were also not carried out by the main force, but smaller groups of infantry and motorised squads (Armoured cars, APCs, and some IFVs, no tanks). Both Ukrainian and Russian sources agree that the vast majority of the Russian 'North' group have not been deployed yet, and instead a smaller reconnaissance and probing force has been used, numbering under 2000 soldiers across all areas attacked (for the first day).

Russian forces did suffer losses, but they managed to keep them minimal, having good success in quickly taking over the abandoned villages and grey zone in 3 distinct areas (pic below). Only the advances in one of those areas is shown on this map, as the progress in the others is being clarified and updated currently (grey zone for now).

As has been mentioned by many people and sources by now: These attacks are likely scouting/probing attacks, aimed at provoking a Ukrainian response, testing defences, and drawing out equipment and troops. They will continue for the next few days, likely being launched in new areas as well, before the main Russian force gets deployed in the area/s Russia actually wants to push.

Ukraine is scrambling to respond, rotating its troops and equipment around to meet Russian attacks. A number of key bridges in this area have also been destroyed, including the large bridge over the Seversky Donets River at the Stary Saltov Dam, crippling Ukrainian logistics and troop transfer ability (extra 60+ km to get to the other side of the river).

The main aspect of the first day I believe is key is the density of reconnaissance drones, and Russia's pinpoint strikes. The videos posted in the first 24 hours show numerous Russian recon teams are active in a relatively small area, with a couple of drone videos showing multiple other drones in the same area. Russia has anticipated Ukrainian troop and equipment movements, and is rapidly striking any targets its come across, as you've likely seen from the videos posted to the sub. In less than 24 hours, Ukraine lost multiple AA systems, several radars, and a number of SPGs, armoured cars, tanks, and APCs, just in the border area.

Strikes on the higher priority targets (AA and radars) utilised Iskander missiles, often responding within minutes of the target being located. Russia has planned and coordinated its attacks extremely well, and by drawing out the Ukrainian equipment using the probing force, Russia has been able to neutralise a lot of it before it could even be used. Ukraine simply cannot continue to keep losing equipment in the numbers it did in the first 24 hours, as it just does not have enough to replace them. If Russia can keep this up, even if the probing force does not advance any further, the operation could be considered a win in that it resulting in the destruction of lots of equipment for very little cost. I have to note it is a tough situation for Ukraine, as they can't just let the Russian airforce and recon force run wild, but once they start moving it out of hiding it is getting struck.

There have also been many claims from both Russian and Ukrainian sources that a similar probing force is amassing on the Sumy border, which would indicate Russia intends to stretch Ukraine even thinner by attacking in a new spot, intending to repeat what has happened in Kharkiv in the last 24 hours. As you're probably well aware, Ukraine is suffering from manpower, ammo and equipment shortages, and there is only so far they can stretch what they have before it breaks somewhere. Russia is likely hoping Ukraine pulls units of the existing front line in the south and east to respond to attacks in the north, facilitating other offensives in the Donbas.

As a summary: Russia has had expected, but fast gains in its offensive. Ukraine has not had its lines broken, but has lost lots of equipment to pinpoint strikes. A new probing attack in Sumy may be opened soon.

(Picture 2) Russia continues to clear the minefields near Pervomaiske, as discussed here. They have almost completely cleared the grey zone now, so the days of easy gains here are almost over.
 
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Hoe kan het eigenlijk dat best grote groeperingen met tanks en armoured vehicles massaal de grens zijn overgestoken op meerdere plekken? Ik heb gelezen dat ze o.a. via bossen maar ook gewoon via een grensovergang zijn doorgestoken.

Als 2 buurlanden met elkaar in oorlog zijn en deze invasie in de lijn der verwachting lag, waarom hebben ze over heel die grenssteook geen mijnen(velden) aangelegd en andere defense shizzle geplaatst? Ze hebben daar 2 jaar de tijd voor gehad.


Check dit.
En vergeet niet dat de Russische media niet 100% betrouwbaar is.
 
Rusland claimt inname vijf dorpen in provincie Charkiv, Oekraïne ontkent - https://nos.nl/l/2520082

Russen claimen, maar hebben niets. Precies daar worden hun leiders blij van. Leugens.
 
Ik geloof er allemaal niks van. De één zegt dit, de ander dat.

één ding weet ik wel, het duurt veel te lang, met onnodige slachtoffers. Zet Poetin in de ring met Zelensky en wie er wint krijgt gelijk.
 
Ik geloof er allemaal niks van. De één zegt dit, de ander dat.

één ding weet ik wel, het duurt veel te lang, met onnodige slachtoffers. Zet Poetin in de ring met Zelensky en wie er wint krijgt gelijk.


Daagde Zelensky hier uit voor een dogfight
 
Ik geloof er allemaal niks van. De één zegt dit, de ander dat.

één ding weet ik wel, het duurt veel te lang, met onnodige slachtoffers. Zet Poetin in de ring met Zelensky en wie er wint krijgt gelijk.
Dit zeg ik al sinds het begin van de oorlog.

Jij wilt oorlog voeren en de levens van je volk weggooien, ga dan zelf maar eerst even de ring in.

1 tegen 1, blote vuisten, er komt er maar 1 met een hartslag uit.

Maarja Putin is sowieso te bang om uberhaupt het Kremlin uit te komen, laat staan zijn mannetje te staan als het er op aan komt.

Ik denk dat Zelensky het aan het begin van het conflict nog gedaan had ook. Al denk ik dat Putin het ondanks zijn bejaarde gesteldheid misschien nog wel zou winnen.
 
Dit zeg ik al sinds het begin van de oorlog.

Jij wilt oorlog voeren en de levens van je volk weggooien, ga dan zelf maar eerst even de ring in.

1 tegen 1, blote vuisten, er komt er maar 1 met een hartslag uit.

Maarja Putin is sowieso te bang om uberhaupt het Kremlin uit te komen, laat staan zijn mannetje te staan als het er op aan komt.

Ik denk dat Zelensky het aan het begin van het conflict nog gedaan had ook. Al denk ik dat Putin het ondanks zijn bejaarde gesteldheid misschien nog wel zou winnen.

Als de wereld zo in elkaar zou zitten zou Tuvalu morgen de oorlog kunnen verklaren aan de VS en deze winnen want Biden is met één duw al klinisch dood.

Overigens is Putin een black belt in judo, dacht ik.
 
Als de wereld zo in elkaar zou zitten zou Tuvalu morgen de oorlog kunnen verklaren aan de VS en deze winnen want Biden is met één duw al klinisch dood.

Overigens is Putin een black belt in judo, dacht ik.
Maar er zijn meerdere Putins. Hebben die met z'n allen 1 band ?
 
Als de wereld zo in elkaar zou zitten zou Tuvalu morgen de oorlog kunnen verklaren aan de VS en deze winnen want Biden is met één duw al klinisch dood.

Overigens is Putin een black belt in judo, dacht ik.
Aan zo'n belt heb je heel wat als je 1m40 bent en skinnyfat.
 

Jammer dat nu.nl sinds een tijdje de comments alleen zichtbaar heeft gemaakt voor leden van hun site. :(
 
Hebben de Russen nu daadwerkelijk Kharkiv aangevallen met circa 50.000 troepen?
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Het nieuwe offensief van Rusland in de regio Kharkiv bezorgt Oekraïne veel moeilijkheden. De Oekraïense president Volodymyr Zelensky blijft strijdlustige taal spreken, maar zijn opperbevelhebber Oleksandr Syrskyi moest zondag toegeven dat de strijd rond Kharkiv niet goed verloopt.
Heerlijk, alweer tweedracht aldaar.

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Hoe kan het eigenlijk dat best grote groeperingen met tanks en armoured vehicles massaal de grens zijn overgestoken op meerdere plekken? Ik heb gelezen dat ze o.a. via bossen maar ook gewoon via een grensovergang zijn doorgestoken.

Als 2 buurlanden met elkaar in oorlog zijn en deze invasie in de lijn der verwachting lag, waarom hebben ze over heel die grenssteook geen mijnen(velden) aangelegd en andere defense shizzle geplaatst? Ze hebben daar 2 jaar de tijd voor gehad.
Ik krijg een beetje de indruk dat Oekraïne er nog veel slechter voorstaat dan wat we al weten. :emo:

Waar zijn al die wapenleveringen en steunpakketten gebleven?
 
Hebben de Russen nu daadwerkelijk Kharkiv aangevallen met circa 50.000 troepen?
35k volgens Syrski


UA POV - Ukraine’s top military commander, Oleksandr Syrskyi, said on Sunday the situation in Kharkiv had “significantly worsened.” The amount of Russian forces deployed to the Kharkiv offensive — roughly 35,000. The Kharkiv offensive draws Ukrainian troops away from east. -


# [Military briefing: Russia’s Kharkiv offensive draws Ukrainian troops away from east](https://www.ft.com/content/23cee824-3a49-4366-9afb-aa33f8bf2e4a)

# Military briefing: Russia’s Kharkiv offensive draws Ukrainian troops away from east

Isobel Koshiw in Kyiv, [Polina Ivanova(opens a new window)](https://archive.is/o/OBpT4/https://www.ft.com/polina-ivanova) in Berlin and [Ben Hall(opens a new window)](https://archive.is/o/OBpT4/https://www.ft.com/ben-hall) in London

33 MINUTES AGO

Russian forces pushed further into the Kharkiv region in north-eastern Ukraine over the weekend, in a move that analysts said was more likely to be aimed at drawing Ukrainian units away from the eastern frontline than a bid to take the country’s second-largest city.

Russian troops attacked in two directions, seizing several villages in the Liptsi district, 30km north of Kharkiv city, and reaching the outskirts of the town of Vovchansk, 40km further east, according to Deepstate, an open-source intelligence group, which cited geolocated imagery from the area.

Without the deployment of more Ukrainian reserves the situation would become “extremely dire”, Deepstate warned.

Ukraine’s top military commander, Oleksandr Syrskyi, said on Sunday the situation in Kharkiv had “significantly worsened” and that his forces had fought off nine attacks around eight of the contested settlements in the region. He did not confirm the loss of any territory, saying that his forces were “doing everything to maintain the defensive borders and positions”.

Ukrainian officials and analysts have long anticipated an attack from Russia’s Belgorod region over the border into Kharkiv having observed a large build-up of Russian troops in the area. They believe it is part of an uptick in operations intended to exploit Moscow’s advantage in weaponry and manpower before the arrival of US military aid and Ukraine’s expanded mobilisation efforts later this summer.

A Ukrainian defence forces official told the Financial Times last week that the anticipated offensive by Russia in Ukraine’s north-east was primarily designed to draw Ukrainian forces away from the eastern Donbas region.

The amount of Russian forces deployed to the Kharkiv offensive — two army corps or roughly 35,000 — was not enough to attempt the capture of Kharkiv city, officials and analysts said. And, so far, the attacks have been small-scale.

“The Russian forces in the area did not form a cohesive mechanised force for a deep strike with concentrated strength to have an overwhelming superiority in personnel and equipment,” said Frontelligence Insight, an analytical group run by a former Ukrainian officer.

“Instead, they employed multiple small-scale attacks at various border points using platoon-sized and even squad-sized units, allowing some of them to infiltrate the border without encountering significant resistance.”

Russia’s new Kharkiv offensive had probably already achieved “partial success” in drawing Ukrainian troops away from defensive positions elsewhere on the frontline, Frontelligence added, although it declined to name the units that had been redeployed. Ukrainian troops are struggling to hold to defensive positions in Donetsk, part of the Donbas, which remains the focal point of Russia’s war efforts.

Moscow may also be seeking to create a buffer zone to better protect the Russian city of Belgorod, located 70km away from Kharkiv. The local governor on Sunday claimed a Ukrainian rocket hit a residential apartment block in the centre of the city, killing at least nine people, according to state news agency Ria.

Belgorod has increasingly been hit with artillery in recent months but the images from Sunday’s strike, of a gaping hole in a 10-storey block and people being rescued from under the rubble, are of a new order of magnitude and will come as a shock to Russians. Russian jets have also accidentally dropped bombs on the city on several occasions.

Another possible objective for Moscow’s new offensive is to move its forces within artillery range of the city of Kharkiv. Before Russian forces were pushed back from the area in the autumn of 2022, they were able to constantly shell Kharkiv, terrorising the population and flattening many of the buildings in the city’s north-eastern districts.

To do so, Russian forces would need to break through Ukraine’s main defensive lines and advance much further into Ukrainian territory, but it was unclear whether they would be able to build momentum, analysts said.

The villages captured since Friday lie in what Ukrainian officials call a “grey zone” between the Russian border and Ukraine’s main defensive line.

Serhiy Kuzan, chair of the Ukrainian Security and Cooperation Center, a think-tank, said neither side wanted to hold positions in the area because of the disadvantageous lowland terrain.

Kuzan said that while Russia had entered the previously empty grey zone area on Friday, Ukraine’s forces were holding a pre-prepared line along natural barriers.

“This entry is what caused the panic that they have advanced a few kilometres but there is no reason to panic. They would like to break the front and repeat what we did in 2022 \[Ukraine’s lightning counter-offensive in the Kharkiv region\] but they failed and now they are stuck,” said Kuzan.

He said the Russian troops did not have the forces to advance much further but they had enough reserves to continue fighting in the area for at least a month with the aim of getting as close to Kharkiv city as possible “to create pressure there” by shelling the city.

Pro-Kremlin military bloggers concurred that Moscow’s main gains were in the grey zone, saying Russians should not expect a quick breakthrough and that much would depend on the arrival of US aid.

Writing in the pro-Kremlin tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda on Saturday, Russian war reporter Alexander Kots said many of the key routes Russia would want to take have been carpeted with landmines and said Ukrainian drone use against Russian forces was “not to be discounted”.

“The enemy has not built serious defensive lines \[in the grey zone\]; they are waiting for us ahead,” Kots wrote. “And in 2024, Kyiv has more ability to resist the advancing forces.”

 
Verschijnt nu ook verschillende informatie over dat de nieuwe legerleider Syrski een beetje de zondebok is van de nieuwe, zware verliezen aan het front en dat Budanov van de geheime dienst nu zelf naar Kharkov is gekomen om orde op zaken proberen te stellen. Daarmee wordt Syrski dus compleet gediskwalificeerd en buitenspel gezet.
 
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