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Ik zie al waar dit heen gaat, het was een leuke discussie Ruud!
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Ik zie al waar dit heen gaat, het was een leuke discussie Ruud!
Als de hele wereld kan zien hoe de rebellen het gebied afsluiten van de buitenwereld en geen enkele onderzoeker toelaten, terwijl ze duidelijk bewijs vernietigen en jij dan zegt "de onderzoekers konden er niet bij omdat het logistiek moeilijk bereikbaar was"
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Vanavond deze even analyseren, misschien dat andere er ook even naar willen kijken, voor een objectief beeld.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3Yj5jLcOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3Yj5jLcOs
Idd + bewijzen planten, wrakstukken van andere vliegtuigen gedumpt op plaats van crash. Straks zeggen ze nog dat het een kettingbotsing in de lucht was met 20 vliegtuigen.Als de hele wereld kan zien hoe de rebellen het gebied afsluiten van de buitenwereld en geen enkele onderzoeker toelaten, terwijl ze duidelijk bewijs vernietigen en jij dan zegt "de onderzoekers konden er niet bij omdat het logistiek moeilijk bereikbaar was"
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b*ch plz, enig idee wat een écht oorloggebied is? Ga dan eens naar Syrië.
In Oekraïne spelen ze gewoon oorlog als een hoop kindergigolos die Poetin entertainen.
Bewijzen tegen rebellen zijn al ontegenspreekbaar geworden. Er is tot nu toe voor zover ik gelezen heb geen enkele waterdichte 100% zekere bron, maar het geheel...
Moest dit een gewone moord geweest zijn, en kwam voor de rechtbank, 99% kans op veroordeling (tenzij het België is).
All the Countries John McCain Has Wanted to Attack
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/09/john-mccain-world-attack-map-syria
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US satellite may have located Ukraine missile launch
The US believes the Malaysian jet that was destroyed over Ukraine yesterday, killing all 298 people on board, was almost certainly downed by a missile launched by pro-Russian rebels, rather than the Ukrainian air force. So say President Barack Obama and Samantha Power, the US ambassador to the UN, who told a special session of the UN Security Council in New York today that the surface-to-air missile was most likely operated from a separatist-held location in eastern Ukraine. The UK government issued a similar statement.
US Air Force monitoring satellites probably spotted the activation of a telltale missile radar signal in eastern Ukraine – quickly followed by the infrared signature of a midair explosion.
The finding appears to tally with the Ukrainian government's assertion that none of the surface-to-air missiles in its inventory are missing and so have not been fired. It also says the aircraft was out of range of Ukrainian Air Force missile batteries.
To some, the culprit is clear. Tom Nichols, a national security expert at the US Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, told the Al Jazeera TV network that "the Russians' fingerprints are all over this, directly or indirectly".
"Only states can shoot things down that are that high up. This was clearly done with the connivance or supply from the Russians."
Hard evidence needed
But it is evidence that counts. The UN Security Council, which numbers Russia among its five permanent members, called for a full, thorough and independent international investigation into the incident. That means granting aviation forensics teams unfettered access to the crash site.
But when 30 investigators from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) arrived at the scene earlier today, reports on social media said that separatist forces had set up cordons, preventing OSCE workers from examining all the wreckage.
Pictures of the wreckage show items being interfered with or trodden on in a cavalier fashion, potentially destroying evidence.
Eyes in the sky
Both Ukrainian authorities and separatist groups claim to have seized the downed plane's cockpit voice and flight data flight recorders. Without these devices, the satellites of the Space Based Infrared System (SBIRS) look to be one of the strongest hopes for fingering the killers of the 298 passengers.
SBIRS is a network of four geosynchronous and two elliptically orbiting infrared satellites, and is run by the US Space Command at Los Angeles Air Force Base in California. The geosynchronous craft seek out telltale missile heat plumes or explosions on the continents, each using a constantly staring IR sensor. When a signal is detected, a higher resolution scanning sensor pinpoints the location of the launch. This capability means that a deeper analysis of the satellite data could reveal the location of the missile launch with a high degree of accuracy and determine whether Russian, Ukrainian or separatist forces were behind the attack.
Aerospace experts expressed surprise that a large, radar-homing missile was used to down an airliner, rather than the small shoulder-launched heat seeking missiles feared most until now by national security agencies.
"Over 90 per cent of the threats to aircraft today come from the shoulder-fired missiles due to their vast proliferation and ease of use," says optics expert Dan Slasky of Elbit Systems in Haifa, Israel, which makes jammers for fitting on airliners that confuse infrared heat-seekers.
US Air Force monitoring satellites probably spotted the activation of a telltale missile radar signal in eastern Ukraine – quickly followed by the infrared signature of a midair explosion.
The finding appears to tally with the Ukrainian government's assertion that none of the surface-to-air missiles in its inventory are missing and so have not been fired. It also says the aircraft was out of range of Ukrainian Air Force missile batteries.
To some, the culprit is clear. Tom Nichols, a national security expert at the US Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, told the Al Jazeera TV network that "the Russians' fingerprints are all over this, directly or indirectly".
"Only states can shoot things down that are that high up. This was clearly done with the connivance or supply from the Russians."
Hard evidence needed
But it is evidence that counts. The UN Security Council, which numbers Russia among its five permanent members, called for a full, thorough and independent international investigation into the incident. That means granting aviation forensics teams unfettered access to the crash site.
But when 30 investigators from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) arrived at the scene earlier today, reports on social media said that separatist forces had set up cordons, preventing OSCE workers from examining all the wreckage.
Pictures of the wreckage show items being interfered with or trodden on in a cavalier fashion, potentially destroying evidence.
Eyes in the sky
Both Ukrainian authorities and separatist groups claim to have seized the downed plane's cockpit voice and flight data flight recorders. Without these devices, the satellites of the Space Based Infrared System (SBIRS) look to be one of the strongest hopes for fingering the killers of the 298 passengers.
SBIRS is a network of four geosynchronous and two elliptically orbiting infrared satellites, and is run by the US Space Command at Los Angeles Air Force Base in California. The geosynchronous craft seek out telltale missile heat plumes or explosions on the continents, each using a constantly staring IR sensor. When a signal is detected, a higher resolution scanning sensor pinpoints the location of the launch. This capability means that a deeper analysis of the satellite data could reveal the location of the missile launch with a high degree of accuracy and determine whether Russian, Ukrainian or separatist forces were behind the attack.
Aerospace experts expressed surprise that a large, radar-homing missile was used to down an airliner, rather than the small shoulder-launched heat seeking missiles feared most until now by national security agencies.
"Over 90 per cent of the threats to aircraft today come from the shoulder-fired missiles due to their vast proliferation and ease of use," says optics expert Dan Slasky of Elbit Systems in Haifa, Israel, which makes jammers for fitting on airliners that confuse infrared heat-seekers.
Tot er gevraagd werd naar de satelliet beelden.
Dan krijgen we onderstaande bericht:
No MH17 'direct link' to Russia
Russia was responsible for "creating the conditions" that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, US intelligence officials said, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement.
The senior intelligence officials were cautious in their assessment, noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the US had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.
The officials briefed reporters over intelligence related to last week's air disaster, which killed 298 people.
The plane was probably shot down by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, the intelligence officials said.
They cited intercepts, satellite photos and social media postings by separatists, some of which have been authenticated by US experts.
But the officials said they did not know who fired the missile or whether any Russian operatives were present at the missile launch.
They were not certain that the missile crew was trained in Russia, although they described a stepped-up campaign in recent weeks by Russia to arm and train the rebels, which they say has continued even after the downing of the commercial jetliner.
In terms of who fired the missile, "we don't know a name, we don't know a rank and we're not even 100% sure of a nationality," one official said.
White House deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said the US was still working to determine whether the missile launch had a "direct link" to Russia, including whether there were Russians on the ground during the attack and the degree to which Russians may have trained the separatists to launch such a strike.
"We do think President Putin and the Russian government bears responsibility for the support they provided to these separatists, the arms they provided to these separatists, the training they provided as well and the general unstable environment in eastern Ukraine," he said in an interview with CNN.
He added that heavy weaponry continues to flow into Ukraine from Russia following the downing of the plane.
The intelligence officials said the most likely explanation for the downing was that the rebels made a mistake. Separatists previously had shot down 12 Ukrainian military aeroplanes, the officials said.
The officials made clear they were relying in part on social media postings and videos made public in recent days by the Ukrainian government, even though they have not been able to authenticate all of it.
The senior intelligence officials were cautious in their assessment, noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the US had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.
The officials briefed reporters over intelligence related to last week's air disaster, which killed 298 people.
The plane was probably shot down by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, the intelligence officials said.
They cited intercepts, satellite photos and social media postings by separatists, some of which have been authenticated by US experts.
But the officials said they did not know who fired the missile or whether any Russian operatives were present at the missile launch.
They were not certain that the missile crew was trained in Russia, although they described a stepped-up campaign in recent weeks by Russia to arm and train the rebels, which they say has continued even after the downing of the commercial jetliner.
In terms of who fired the missile, "we don't know a name, we don't know a rank and we're not even 100% sure of a nationality," one official said.
White House deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said the US was still working to determine whether the missile launch had a "direct link" to Russia, including whether there were Russians on the ground during the attack and the degree to which Russians may have trained the separatists to launch such a strike.
"We do think President Putin and the Russian government bears responsibility for the support they provided to these separatists, the arms they provided to these separatists, the training they provided as well and the general unstable environment in eastern Ukraine," he said in an interview with CNN.
He added that heavy weaponry continues to flow into Ukraine from Russia following the downing of the plane.
The intelligence officials said the most likely explanation for the downing was that the rebels made a mistake. Separatists previously had shot down 12 Ukrainian military aeroplanes, the officials said.
The officials made clear they were relying in part on social media postings and videos made public in recent days by the Ukrainian government, even though they have not been able to authenticate all of it.
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Waar komt dat over die wrakstukken van andere vliegtuigen op de rampplaats dumpen oppeens vandaan?
Ben trouwens benieuwd of er nog meer bewijs is voor de aanwezigheid van die su25, vind het een beetje appart dat de vs alleen maar met data van een raketlancering komen maar niemand behalve rusland een volledige situatie schetst.
Ik ga ervan uit dat het gewoon een fout is van de rebellen zoals al vanaf het begin lijkt, maar stel het is die su25 en het commentaar van die air traffic controller over dat kiev de schuld op die rebellen wil schuiven blijkt waar te zijn...
Virusje ik snap trouwens je vergelijking met 9/11 wel qua politieke spelletjes naderhand, maar dat het geen aanval op andermans (eu/vs) grondgebied is maakt toch een enorm verschil en maakt dat het woord terrorist eigenlijk niet genoemd mag worden. Je zou die politieke punten na 9/11 eigenlijk als business as usual kunnen beschouwen, zijn gewoon machtspelletjes voor financiele voordelen die bij elk internationaal incident aangegrepen worden.
Ben trouwens benieuwd of er nog meer bewijs is voor de aanwezigheid van die su25, vind het een beetje appart dat de vs alleen maar met data van een raketlancering komen maar niemand behalve rusland een volledige situatie schetst.
Ik ga ervan uit dat het gewoon een fout is van de rebellen zoals al vanaf het begin lijkt, maar stel het is die su25 en het commentaar van die air traffic controller over dat kiev de schuld op die rebellen wil schuiven blijkt waar te zijn...
Virusje ik snap trouwens je vergelijking met 9/11 wel qua politieke spelletjes naderhand, maar dat het geen aanval op andermans (eu/vs) grondgebied is maakt toch een enorm verschil en maakt dat het woord terrorist eigenlijk niet genoemd mag worden. Je zou die politieke punten na 9/11 eigenlijk als business as usual kunnen beschouwen, zijn gewoon machtspelletjes voor financiele voordelen die bij elk internationaal incident aangegrepen worden.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/index.html
Ik denk dat vakanties met de camper het helemaal gaan worden dit jaar
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/index.html
Ik denk dat vakanties met de camper het helemaal gaan worden dit jaar
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Wrakstukken dumpen? Geen idee mensen schreeuwen hier dingen zonder daadwerkelijk bewijs.
Dat van die SU25 ga ik even opzoeken.
Ik noem het ook geen terroristen, dat zijn meer de woorden van de Oekrainse president en mogelijk nog wat volk uit Amerika.
En zoals je al zegt het is gewoon een machtsspelletje.
Iedereen kan met z'n gekke (complot)theorieën komen, maar dit is alles wat er gaande is:
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Ukraine fighter jet near Malaysian plane before crash: Moscow
Moscow: Russia on Monday said its records show a Ukrainian fighter jet was flying close to the Malaysian airliner just before it crashed and a US satellite was flying over rebel-held Ukraine at the time.
Moscow also denied supplying Ukrainian separatists with Buk missile systems or any other weapons as it sought to head off international accusations it was responsible for the downing of the Malaysian plane with 298 people on board.
In the early hours of Monday, the Kremlin released a video address in which a grim-faced President Vladimir Putin said the tragedy should unite and not divide people.
Armed with a number of slides, charts and images, two high-ranking officials of Russia's General Staff later today laid out a case against Kiev and Washington at a specially called briefing.
Lieutenant-General Andrei Kartopolov said the Malaysian plane strayed north of its planned route, adding that a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet, which is typically equipped with air-to-air missiles, had been recorded in the proximity of the Boeing 777.
The Malaysian plane "deviated from its route to the North ... The maximum deviation was 14 kilometres," he said.
"An altitude gain was recorded for a Ukrainian armed forces plane," he told the briefing. "Its distance from the Malaysian Boeing was three to five kilometres (two to three miles)," he said, noting that the SU-25 is capable of reaching a height of 10,000 metres "for a brief time."
"With what aim was a military plane flying along a civilian aviation route practically at the same time and at the same flight level as a passenger liner?" said Kartopolov. "We would like to receive an answer to this question."
The Russian official also challenged Washington to release its satellite images to back up its claim that rebels targeted the Boeing 777 with a missile.
"No one has seen those images," Kartopolov said, noting that a US satellite flew over the rebel-held part of Ukraine at around the time the plane crashed.
"Whether it is a coincidence or not, but the time of the disaster and the time of monitoring by the US satellite dovetail."
Kartopolov also said that the Russian defence ministry detected activity from radar stations that are used to operate missile systems on the day of the tragedy. "From July 17 (Thursday) the intensity of the operation of Ukrainian radar stations increased to the maximum," said Kartopolov.
He added seven radar stations were operating close to the area of the disaster on Tuesday, eight on Wednesday and nine on the day of the crash, Thursday. After the crash, just four radar stations were operating in the area on Friday and just two on Saturday, he added.
Kartopolov insisted Russia had not supplied Ukrainian separatists with Buk missile systems or any other weapons.
"I want to stress that Russia did not give the rebels Buk missile systems or any other kinds of weapons or military hardware," he told reporters.
Moscow also denied supplying Ukrainian separatists with Buk missile systems or any other weapons as it sought to head off international accusations it was responsible for the downing of the Malaysian plane with 298 people on board.
In the early hours of Monday, the Kremlin released a video address in which a grim-faced President Vladimir Putin said the tragedy should unite and not divide people.
Armed with a number of slides, charts and images, two high-ranking officials of Russia's General Staff later today laid out a case against Kiev and Washington at a specially called briefing.
Lieutenant-General Andrei Kartopolov said the Malaysian plane strayed north of its planned route, adding that a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet, which is typically equipped with air-to-air missiles, had been recorded in the proximity of the Boeing 777.
The Malaysian plane "deviated from its route to the North ... The maximum deviation was 14 kilometres," he said.
"An altitude gain was recorded for a Ukrainian armed forces plane," he told the briefing. "Its distance from the Malaysian Boeing was three to five kilometres (two to three miles)," he said, noting that the SU-25 is capable of reaching a height of 10,000 metres "for a brief time."
"With what aim was a military plane flying along a civilian aviation route practically at the same time and at the same flight level as a passenger liner?" said Kartopolov. "We would like to receive an answer to this question."
The Russian official also challenged Washington to release its satellite images to back up its claim that rebels targeted the Boeing 777 with a missile.
"No one has seen those images," Kartopolov said, noting that a US satellite flew over the rebel-held part of Ukraine at around the time the plane crashed.
"Whether it is a coincidence or not, but the time of the disaster and the time of monitoring by the US satellite dovetail."
Kartopolov also said that the Russian defence ministry detected activity from radar stations that are used to operate missile systems on the day of the tragedy. "From July 17 (Thursday) the intensity of the operation of Ukrainian radar stations increased to the maximum," said Kartopolov.
He added seven radar stations were operating close to the area of the disaster on Tuesday, eight on Wednesday and nine on the day of the crash, Thursday. After the crash, just four radar stations were operating in the area on Friday and just two on Saturday, he added.
Kartopolov insisted Russia had not supplied Ukrainian separatists with Buk missile systems or any other weapons.
"I want to stress that Russia did not give the rebels Buk missile systems or any other kinds of weapons or military hardware," he told reporters.
Er waren als het goed is ook nog getuigen die straaljagers bij mh17 hebben gezien zo'n 3 minuten voor de crash, kan even geen bronnen vinden.
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Sukhoi SU25
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1 in 10 Americans Wants War With Russia Over Downed Airliner
''85 percent believe Russia is responsible for missile attack.''
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Sukhoi SU25
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1 in 10 Americans Wants War With Russia Over Downed Airliner
''85 percent believe Russia is responsible for missile attack.''
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ssia-drop-following-malaysian-airliner-crash/
In a new CNN/ORC poll, almost one in ten Americans have expressed a desire to take military action against Russia should it be confirmed that Vladimir Putin’s government was somehow involved with the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17.
The poll notes that 9 percent of respondents chose the option ‘take military action’ when asked “If there is clear evidence that Russia is responsible for the airplane crash, what do you think the United States should do in response?”
The number may at first seem low, but it translates to one in every ten Americans believing that a war with a nuclear super power is a good idea.
Only 19 percent said no action should be taken, while 71 percent said economic sanctions should be imposed on Russia if clear evidence of the country’s involvement emerges.
Perhaps more alarmingly, a total of 85 percent said they believe, from what they have read and heard, that Russia is responsible for the missile strike on the airliner, and therefore the deaths of 298 innocent people.
While 51 percent say that the country is indirectly responsible, over a third actually believe, according to their “best guess”, that Russia shot down the plane. Only 11 percent believe Russia had nothing to do with it.
As we have noted, the evidence to suggest Russian responsibility at this point is based solely on YouTube clips and social media speculation. While the corporate media has been pushing the anti-Russia line, the US government has been forced to admit that it had been bluffing about its certainty that Russia was behind the downing of Malaysian Air Flight MH-17 over Ukraine.
Despite this lack of real intelligence, Obama and others within his administration have said categorically that pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine could not have acted without weapons and training from Russia. The administration is now reported to be fixing the intelligence to fit pre-ordained policy.
As we have also noted, there is at least an equal amount of evidence to suggest Ukrainian government involvement, as there is suggesting Russia is to blame.
The CNN poll also indicates that 80 percent of Americans believe a separatist group in Ukraine launched the missile, with over half seeing that probability as ‘very likely’.
In a new CNN/ORC poll, almost one in ten Americans have expressed a desire to take military action against Russia should it be confirmed that Vladimir Putin’s government was somehow involved with the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17.
The poll notes that 9 percent of respondents chose the option ‘take military action’ when asked “If there is clear evidence that Russia is responsible for the airplane crash, what do you think the United States should do in response?”
The number may at first seem low, but it translates to one in every ten Americans believing that a war with a nuclear super power is a good idea.
Only 19 percent said no action should be taken, while 71 percent said economic sanctions should be imposed on Russia if clear evidence of the country’s involvement emerges.
Perhaps more alarmingly, a total of 85 percent said they believe, from what they have read and heard, that Russia is responsible for the missile strike on the airliner, and therefore the deaths of 298 innocent people.
While 51 percent say that the country is indirectly responsible, over a third actually believe, according to their “best guess”, that Russia shot down the plane. Only 11 percent believe Russia had nothing to do with it.
As we have noted, the evidence to suggest Russian responsibility at this point is based solely on YouTube clips and social media speculation. While the corporate media has been pushing the anti-Russia line, the US government has been forced to admit that it had been bluffing about its certainty that Russia was behind the downing of Malaysian Air Flight MH-17 over Ukraine.
Despite this lack of real intelligence, Obama and others within his administration have said categorically that pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine could not have acted without weapons and training from Russia. The administration is now reported to be fixing the intelligence to fit pre-ordained policy.
As we have also noted, there is at least an equal amount of evidence to suggest Ukrainian government involvement, as there is suggesting Russia is to blame.
The CNN poll also indicates that 80 percent of Americans believe a separatist group in Ukraine launched the missile, with over half seeing that probability as ‘very likely’.
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Zijn er echt idioten die op de pechstrook gaan staan
Echt he, het zal me benieuwen wat de idioten dit jaar rond 5 december in petto hebben.
Je bent zelf een opa.
Dat kan ik alleen maar toejuichen.
Vijf G.I. John's voor je scherpe analyse.
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Zijn er echt idioten die op de pechstrook gaan staan
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Meeloperij. Allemaal een bekeuring!
Vervolgens: ''Ik noem het ook geen terroristen, dat zijn meer de woorden van de Oekrainse president en mogelijk nog wat volk uit Amerika.
En zoals je al zegt het is gewoon een machtsspelletje.''
Je noemt het duidelijk wel een terroristische aanval, je noemt het namelijk een europese 9/11.
Verder:
Wtc 2996 doden - tot 6maanden lang puin ruimen, tot op heden nog altijd bezig met de herbouw van nieuwe structuur. Gepleegd door al quida door hardhandig 2 vlieger in een toren te boren.
Vliegramp 296 doden. Binnen een week word de handtekening gezet en het is afgesloten. Gepleegd door een aap die wellicht niet de opleiding heeft gehad om met dergelijk materieel te werken en dus het verkeerde vliegtuig neergehaald.
Maw WTC was persoonlijk, persoonlijker dan dit kan het trouwens niet worden.
Vliegtuigramp is spijtig genoeg een ongeluk.
Wanneer word dit topic naar politiek verhuist? Sorry maar mensen zoals virusjé zijn gewoon niet de mensen die je in deze topic's wilt hebben..