Libische Burgeroorlog

[Calyptus]

Satire serieus nemen

---------- Post toegevoegd Thu 13 Sep 2012 om 18:58 ----------

Ik snap dat echt niet. Er is NIETS dat iemand zou kunnen zeggen om mij boos genoeg te maken om met iemand op de vuist te gaan, laat staan enkele mensen te bombarderen die er niets mee te maken hebben.

Waar was die studie die het effect van religie met acute psychose vergeleek qua activeringscentrum in het brein?

---------- Post toegevoegd Thu 13 Sep 2012 om 19:02 ----------

Libië is flink verbeterd na de interventie.

alsof iemand met kennis ooit pretendeerde dat de Arabische Lente voor sensibilizering en vooruitgang ging zorgen.

Het wordt net radicaler, achterlijker en meer anti-Westers(de scapegoat).

het wordt per bericht nog lachwekkender

 

[blackbird]

Kansloze landen...

 

[TheUnknownKnown]

Demonstraties zijn nu ook overgeslagen naar Westerse landen als Australie, Belgie.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/...the-us-consulate/story-fn6ck45n-1226474857515

SYDNEY — Riot police clashed with about 200 protesters at the U.S. Consulate in Sydney on Saturday as demonstrations against an anti-Islam film produced in the United States spread to Australia.

Ten Network television news showed a policeman knocked unconscious as the mostly male crowd hurled bottles and other missiles. Many of the protesters were wearing Muslim dress.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ace750-ff0d-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html

In Borgerhout bij Antwerpen zijn jongeren vanmiddag de straat opgekomen om te demonstreren tegen de anti-islamfilm 'Innocence of Muslims'. Het protest eindigde in rellen. De politie heeft ruim 120 amokmakers geïsoleerd op de Drink. Zij worden administratief aangehouden en overgebracht naar het cellencomplex aan de Noorderlaan.

'De Morgen'

AMSTERDAM - Op de Dam in Amsterdam hebben vrijdagmiddag enkele tientallen mensen gedemonstreerd tegen de omstreden anti-islamfilm Innocence of Muslims. Volgens de politie verliep de betoging rustig. Er zijn geen arrestaties verricht.

http://www.bndestem.nl/nieuws/algem...Klein-protest-op-Dam-tegen-anti-islamfilm.ece

 

[whami]

Demonstraties zijn nu ook overgeslagen naar Westerse landen als Australie, Belgie.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/...the-us-consulate/story-fn6ck45n-1226474857515

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ace750-ff0d-11e1-98c6-ec0a0a93f8eb_story.html




'De Morgen'



http://www.bndestem.nl/nieuws/algem...Klein-protest-op-Dam-tegen-anti-islamfilm.ece

Die gastjes die zeggen van mensen die tegen de Islam zijn te onthoofden mogen van mijn part onthoofd worden of permanent int gevang gestoken worden!!!

 

[Peanuthead95]

Ben benieuwd wat voor user rating die film zou krijgen op IMDB.

 

[Big-T]

Die gastjes die zeggen van mensen die tegen de Islam zijn te onthoofden mogen van mijn part onthoofd worden of permanent int gevang gestoken worden!!!

Ik begrijp trouwens niet hoe je in sommige landen mag oproepen tot geweld (daar valt dat onthoofden toch wel onder lijkt me zo).

Dat is wat mij betreft altijd de grens van vrije meningsuiting. Er lopen genoeg gekken rond die het gaan doen ook.

 

[swagger]

Dit kan Allah nooit zo bedoelt hebben, branden in de hel dat zullen ze!

 

[whami]

Ik begrijp trouwens niet hoe je in sommige landen mag oproepen tot geweld (daar valt dat onthoofden toch wel onder lijkt me zo).

Dat is wat mij betreft altijd de grens van vrije meningsuiting. Er lopen genoeg gekken rond die het gaan doen ook.

Zeker als je weet dat er video's bestaan van het onthoofden van christenen in moslimlanden.
Met dat in het gedacht vind ik dat vééél beledigender dan zo'n domme anti-Islam video.
Onthoofden is idd geen vrije meningsuiting meer, het is bedreiging en oproepen tot onrust en geweld. Ligt ook dicht bij de grens van het oproepen tot terrorisme.

 

[whami]

Dit kan Allah nooit zo bedoelt hebben, branden in de hel dat zullen ze!

Allah, god bestaan niet. Ik denk dat lang geleden alle verhalen uit de bijbel ontstaan zijn om een soort ethiek uit te leggen aan de mensen. En dat de bijbel een verzameling was van deze verhalen, een soort ethische code.
Deze werd dan misbruik door sektes zoals het christendom voor macht.

Dus dat god niet als een persoon bedoeld was. Daarom ook dat men zegt dat god in iedereen zit of zoiets. Dus dat er in iedereen iets goed zit en dat iedereen de ethische regels moet volgen.

Deze 'ethische code' wordt nu volledig verkeerd geïnterpreteerd en misbruikt door de kerk, Islam, ... Ik denk dat de oorspronkelijke schrijvers van de bijbel en koran zich zouden omdraaien in hen graf als ze wisten wat hen schrijfsels veroorzaakt hebben en hoe ze misbruikt worden.

Ik ben 100% atheïst - ik geloof niet een god. Maar ik geloof wel in een ethische code - niet godsdienst - voor zaken die onmogelijk of moeilijk in een wet kunnen gegoten worden maar wel essentieel zijn voor een goede samenleving. Dus eigenlijk een soort van lijst van ethische regeltjes.

Het christendom, de islam en andere sektes zijn een ziekte die vooral negatieve gevolgen heeft. Het christendom, de islam, joden zijn allen aanvaarde sektes op bepaalde plaatsen in de wereld. Een godsdienst en een sekte, wat is her verschil? Niets, enkel de mate waarin ze algemeen aanvaard worden verschilt. Een sekte als scientology is gelijkaardig aan "godsdiensten" als het christendom, islam en joden.

 

[bascross]

Wat een succesverhaal is Libië ook geworden na de dood van Khadaffi.

 

[Arminius]

Pointing to Russian Mercenaries, Turkey’s Erdogan Weighs Joining Fight in Libya

Turkey could send troops to Libya if its UN-backed government requests help, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Tuesday, pointing to Russian military contractors currently in the war-torn country.

Libya’s internationally recognized government said last week it plans to confront Russia over the private mercenaries with a list of up to 800 Russian fighters supporting its strongman opponent. Libya and its key ally Turkey last month signed an expanded security and military cooperation agreement, as well as a deal to drill natural gas in the eastern Mediterranean.

“Speaking of sending troops, you know there’s a security company from Russia called Wagner” in Libya, Erdogan said Tuesday.

Wagner is a private military company linked to President Vladimir Putin through business magnate Yevgeny Prigozhin. Russia has sent more than 1,000 mercenaries to Libya overall in the past three months, according to The New York Times.

“If Libya requests the same of us, especially since we signed this military security agreement, we can send as much personnel as we can,” Erdogan said.

Libya’s UN-backed government “welcomes ALL international support,” The New York Times quoted its adviser for U.S. affairs, Mohamed Ali Abdullah, as saying in a text message.

Erdogan said the deployment of Turkish troops in Libya would not violate a United Nations arms embargo on Libya.

"In the event of such a call coming, it is Turkey's decision what kind of initiative it will take here. We will not seek the permission of anyone on this," he said.

Erdogan and President Vladimir Putin discussed Libya in a phone call Wednesday, the state-run news agency RIA Novosti quoted the Kremlin as saying. Details of that conversation would be forthcoming, the Kremlin said, without specifying a time.

Putin and Erdogan are scheduled to meet on Jan. 8.

Forces loyal to Libya’s eastern commander Khalifa Haftar launched an offensive this spring to seize Tripoli. The Russian mercenaries’ reported help allowed Haftar’s forces to emerge from the doldrums and seize a key neighborhood over the weekend, The New York Times reported.

“On the Haftar issue, I don’t want it to give birth to a new Syria in relations with Russia,” Bloomberg quoted Erdogan as saying Monday. “I believe Russia will also review its existing stance over Haftar.”

“He is an outlaw, and by that same token, any support he’s given is rendered illegal,” he said in an interview with Turkish state-run television.

Erdogan Says Turkey Won't Be Silent Over Russian-Backed Mercenaries in Libya

President Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday that Turkey will not stay silent over Russian-backed mercenaries supporting Khalifa Haftar in Libya, as Moscow voiced concerns over possible Turkish military deployment to Libya in support of Haftar's enemies.

Turkey has backed Libya's internationally recognized government led by Fayez al-Serraj and the two sides signed a security agreement last month which could deepen military cooperation between them.

Turkey has already sent military supplies to Libya in violation of a United Nations arms embargo, according to a report by U.N. experts seen by Reuters last month. It said Serraj's Government of National Accord (GNA) asked Turkey for help after Haftar received support from Jordan and the United Arab Emirates.

Turkey had not responded directly to the assertions in the report, but Erdogan said Ankara could not ignore the support that Haftar was receiving from the Kremlin-linked Wagner group.

"Through the group named Wagner, they are literally working as Haftar's mercenaries in Libya. You know who is paying them," Erdogan was quoted by broadcaster NTV as saying on a flight back from Malaysia.

"That is the case, and it would not be right for us to remain silent against all of this. We have done our best until now, and will continue to do so," he added.

Erdogan's comments come a day after Serraj's government said it ratified last month's security and military accord with Ankara, opening the way for greater Turkish support, as it fights a months-long offensive by Haftar's forces.

Earlier on Friday, Russia said it was very concerned by the prospect of Turkey sending troops to Libya, adding that the deal on military cooperation between Ankara and Tripoli raised many questions for Moscow, according to the Interfax news agency.

Erdogan said on Wednesday Turkey would improve cooperation with Libya by offering military support to the GNA and backing joint steps in the eastern Mediterranean. Ankara has previously said it could send military support to the GNA if it requested it, but says no such request has been made yet.

The Kremlin said on Tuesday Erdogan and Russia's Vladimir Putin would discuss Ankara's potential military deployment to Libya during talks in Turkey next month.

U.S. Concerned as Libyan Conflict Turning Bloodier With Russian Mercenaries

The United States is "very concerned" about the intensification of the conflict in Libya, with a rising number of reported Russian mercenaries supporting Khalifa Haftar's forces on the ground turning the conflict into a bloodier one, a senior State Department official said on Saturday.

The United States continues to recognize the Government of National Accord (GNA) led by Fayez al-Serraj, the official said, but added that Washington is not taking sides in the conflict and is talking to all stakeholders who could be influential in trying to forge an agreement.

"We are very concerned about the military intensification," the official told Reuters. "We see the Russians using hybrid warfare, using drones and aircraft...This isn't good."

"With the increased numbers of reported Wagner forces and mercenaries on the ground, we think it's changing the landscape of the conflict and intensifying it," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, referring to a shadowy group of mercenaries known as Wagner.

Libya has been divided since 2014 into rival military and political camps based in the capital Tripoli and the east. Serraj's government is in conflict with forces led by Khalifa Haftar based in eastern Libya.

Haftar is backed by Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and most recently Russian mercenaries, according to diplomats and Tripoli officials. The issue has come up in a meeting earlier this month between U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov.

Pompeo said there could be no military solution to the fighting and that Washington had warned countries against sending weapons to Libya, adding that he reminded Lavrov specifically of the U.N. arms embargo on Libya.

Haftar's Libyan National Army (LNA) has been trying since April to take Tripoli. Earlier this month, he announced what he said would be the "final battle" for the capital but has not made much advance.

The U.S. official said the involvement of Russian mercenaries so far has not tipped the conflict in favor of Haftar. "It's creating a bloodier conflict...more civilian damage, damage to infrastructure like the airports..hospitals have been targeted. But at the same time we don't see that Haftar is gaining ground."

Turkey has backed Libya's internationally recognized government led by Fayez al-Serraj and the two sides signed a memorandum of understanding on maritime cooperation in the eastern Mediterranean as well as a security agreement which could deepen military cooperation between them.

In a first reaction from the United States on the agreements between Turkey and Libya, the U.S. official said the maritime MOU was "unhelpful" and "provocative."

"Because it's drawing into the Libyan conflict interests that up until now had not been involved in the situation in Libya,' the official said. "With maritime boundaries, you're drawing in Greece and Cyprus...from the United States' perspective, this is a concern…it's not the time to be provoking more instability in the Mediterranean," the official said.

Ankara has already sent military supplies to Libya in violation of a United Nations arms embargo, according to a report by U.N. experts seen by Reuters last month. Its maritime agreement with Libya enraged Greece and drew ire from the European Union.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has said Turkey could deploy troops to Libya in support of the GNA but no request has yet been made.

Erdogan: de papieren schaduw-dictator.