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Omdat ik vaak lees dat mensen maar hooguit 1 minuut rust tussen hun setjes houden bij het trainen lijkt dit me wel een interessant artikel. Komt van Chris Aceto. Zelf lukt het me namelijk nauwelijks om mijn trainingen binnen het uur af te werken.

Rest Periods Influence Growth
by Chris Aceto

If you are a regular reader, I am sure you are aware that I continue to be a big believer in heavy training. Not Heavy Duty-one-set-to-failure. But, heavy training using multiple sets for each body part. Nothing influences muscle growth more so than being able to push lots of weight. Just ask Ronnie Coleman and Kevin Levrone. Crazy amounts of muscle mass right? They built their bodies on the foundation of strength. When you’re strong and can work in the growth rep range, no fewer than 6 reps with no more than 12 reps, muscle growth comes easy.
Besides lifting heavy – of course with good form and training within the 6 to 12 rep range – the rest periods you take influence and affect how much muscle you can add. That’s’ the topic I want to tackle this month. Rest. Specifically, how much to take in between sets.

Principle #1 Your body is a Unit
This principle has everything to do with taking your time. One of the myths in training for growth is to speed up your training. The idea is that taking shorter rest periods between sets leads to greater growth. In fact, the opposite is true. When you rest a bit longer, that extra rest and immediate recovery allows you to be able to use the heavy weight you just lifted for another productive set. For example, if you bench press 120 kgs for 10 reps and rest for only 40 seconds, do you really believe you’ll be able to handle another set for the same number of reps. The answer is clearly no. You might be able to move the 120 kgs but will likely fall far short of 10 reps. On the other hand, if you rest for twice as long, say just over a minute and a half, you would be able to handle the second set for 10 reps. The lesson: training too quickly, moving too fast from set to set compromises your ability to re-use a heavy weight and muscular growth is highlydependent on the amount of weight you can use in the 6 to 12 rep range.
Having said that, let’s discuss how the body integrates itself as a unit. When you train with weights, it’s an anaerobic training system. That is, unlike with cardiocacular training, weight training works the body without the need for large amounts of oxygen. However, in training larger body parts to failure – such as legs, back, chest and quads – the bodybuilder not only causes his muscles to fail, but puts an intense stress on the heart and lungs. While the activity – training to momentary muscle failure – put the greatest stress on the muscles, you can’t help but notice the heart and lungs comes into play in a very big way. In squatting or bent over rowing, for example, you often “run out of breath” at the point where you can barely get that final rep. Immediately after that final rep to failure, you stop and that’s where both the muscle your training has to regroup and recover, and it’s also the exact time where the heart has to recover. Specifically, training to failure can radically increase the heart rate and when the heart rate dramatically rises, you can’t truly train to failure again – to take a second successive set to muscular failure – until the heart rate has returned closer to its resting level. Imagine taking a set of leg presses to failure. When your legs say “no” your heart rate is racing like you just performed an all-out sprint. If you don’t rest long enough between sets, the heart rate will interfere with taking the muscles to failure and you wont be able to use a heavy weight. At least you wont be able to use a really heavy weight, one that’s required to stimulate big growth. On a simple level, imagine Ronnie Coleman squatting 350 kgs for 8 reps. At rep 8, his body as an entire unit is maxed out. His quads are fried and his heart rate is running through the roof. Do you think he waits only 1 minute before hitting set number two? Of course not. He rests as long as it takes to get the heart rate closer to normal. And that could be 4 minutes. Don’t forget, this is his mass training, so training with 30-60 seconds rest in between sets is definitely not the best idea for radical growth.

Principle #2 Short Rest Periods Short Circuit Contraction
When you train to failure, the muscles produce a lot of acid called lactic acid. Lactic acid is actually a by-product of the metabolism of sugar. When you call on glucose in huge amounts to power those big sets, the by-product is lactic acid. When you rest – between sets - the acid is sent to the liver and used as fuel. During the actual set, it (lactic acid) can’t be used as fuel. The problem with lactic acid is that it inhibits muscle contraction. When you take a set to failure, one factor causing you to no longer be able to continue with the set is a surge in lactic acid. Lactic acid irritates the endings of nerves that connect to muscles and prevent the nerve signal from firing. In short, lactic acid exerts an unfavorable effect on muscle contraction.
Lactic acid clearance – how fast it gets out of the area – is related to rest periods. If you wait a very brief time between sets, the acid remains within the muscle you are targeting which prevents you from taking your second set to failure in the same rep range as the first set. For example, in bench presses, you might do a set of 10 with 130 kgs . At the point of failure, you rack the weight and rest for a minute. Picking up the weight to perform the second set, you fail at rep number 8, two short of the first set. A reason you may not have been able to perform 10 reps as you did on the first set: a lack of sufficient rest between sets which prevent maximal clearance of lactic acid out of the muscle.
To allow maximal clearance, you have to – in addition to following principle #1 – rest long enough to clear lactic acid. Rest periods for growth can be up to 4 minutes on major movements like squats, leg presses, bent rows, or dead lifts, with 2-3 minutes on shoulder exercises and most other back, shoulder and chest exercises. Because the arms don’t drive the heart rate up as much as large body parts, you can get away with waiting 1-2 minutes between sets. For growth, the 30-60 seconds rest between sets is, in my opinion, poor training advice.

Why Short Rest The idea that shortening rest periods between sets is advantageous for muscle growth came about with limited understanding of how a bodybuilder approaches his training. On a theoretical level, if I do 10 sets of 100 pounds of bicep curls, I could establish the idea that I am actually doing more work if I wait only 1 minute between sets rather than 2 minutes. That idea is based on the formula that work and time are related. Short-rest enthusiasts push the point that the bodybuilder can add stress to the body – therefore resulting in greater growth – by performing the sets and reps he is currently doing in a shorter period of time. For example, if you do 4 sets of bench press with 125 kgs and 4 sets of inclines bench presses with 100 kgs followed by 4 sets of flies with a pair of 30 kg dumbbells – all resting for 2-3 minutes between sets, - you can benefit by bringing the rest to just 1 minute. Yes you can, or you could but in reality, when you shorten the rest periods, you either create a massive lactic acid build up or your body as a unit begins to tire. The result: you have to use smaller or lighter weights and lighter weights always translates into less muscle growth.
With drastically cutting down on rest periods, the bodybuilder who previously performed 4 sets of bench presses with 125 kgs – resting 2 and up to 2 ½ minutes between sets – will not be able to handle 125 kgs for all 4 sets. In short, cutting back on rest periods is detrimental to the total amount of load you can place on the muscles.
So what is the best rest range? For most the answer varies though you have to consider your heart rate. If the heart rate is not close to normal, then the body as a unit will experience fatigue which can interfere with lifting the heaviest weight possible. Therefore the time to rest between sets will vary. For biceps, the ideal time could be a minute to 90 seconds while a larger body part or exercise that gets the heart rate up- such as bent over rowing – can require 3 minutes of rest. You need the full amount – or a greater period of rest – if you hope to push the heaviest weight possible on each successive set.
Besides trying to avoid an elevated heart rate, keep in mind excess lactic acid production can interfere with your training and taking greater rest periods can allow time for the acid to dissipate which allows for a more forceful contraction. Bottom line; with less lactic acid clogging the contractile pathways, the more likely you can continue to use a heavy weight on successive sets.

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Beetje te lang om door te lezen. Maar ik rust altijd zon 30 a 45 sec tussen setjes. En ik groei toch redelijk.. En ik ben elke training in 40 a 45 min klaar. Wil prima! Zolang je maar niet zo als de meesten in de sportschool hele tijd gaat zitten te lullen.
 
Misschien ben jij een uitzondering op de regel Extreme. Bij jou werkt het zichtbaar wel om korte pauzes te nemen.

Maar heb je het ook weleens anders geprobeerd? Dus langere rustpauzes nemen.

Mijn baas neemt ook korte rust tussen zijn setjes en lacht mij altijd uit om mijn lange rustperiodes. (Maar hij is ook een genetisch bevoordeelde.)

Maar ik vind het langere rust verhaal aannemelijker klinken. Fysiologisch gezien klopt het ook als je kijkt naar het anaeroob systeem en hoelang het duurt voordat dat herstelt.
 
Zelf wissel ik veel af met sets, reps, oefeningen, rust enz. enz. :eek:
Zo blijf ik mijn lichaam een shock geven, het lukt mij door jaren van training
nog steeds om progressie te boeken :yes: ........voor mij veel afwisselen dus :thumbs:
 
Soms train ik met kortere rust sets, maar bij de grote 3 bijna altijd lange rust periodes!
 
Ja hoor van alles geprobeert 2 3 min pauze zelfs 5 min pauze vind het echt waardeloos enheeft bij mij weinig effect. En je totale trainingstijd duurt dan ook veel te lang.
 
Maar hoe zit het dan als je je training niet meer binnen een uur redt? Als je langer rust tussen sets, betekent het dan ook dat het niet erg is als je in totaal langer bezig bent?
 
Zelda zei:
Maar hoe zit het dan als je je training niet meer binnen een uur redt? Als je langer rust tussen sets, betekent het dan ook dat het niet erg is als je in totaal langer bezig bent?

Langer dan 45 min bezig meer cortisol uitstoot en testoteron nivo gaat naar beneden dus niet echt positief voor de spieropbouw :D
 
Xtreme_BODY zei:
Langer dan 45 min bezig meer cortisol uitstoot en testoteron nivo gaat naar beneden dus niet echt positief voor de spieropbouw :D

Nee, maar zou het kunnen dat je ook minder snel cortisol aanmaakt als je rustiger traint? Jammer dat daar niks over gezegd wordt.
 
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als je 60-75 minuten traint met meer rust is dat imo niet schadelijk(er)
het is dan ook 45 minuten 'bezig zijn', en rust maakt geen cortisol aan
 
Uit de HST-archieven:

The Rest between sets is determined by the amount of time required to regain sufficient strength to successfully achieve the minimum effective Volume. There is not much to it, and you will not see any dramatic results by varying rest periods (within reason, of course)

Overall, rest periods should be around 1.5-2 minutes.

When moving from one body part to the next try to alternate between opposing or antagonistic body parts – commonly known as antagonistic pairing. E.g. 1 set of chest, rest, 1 set of back, rest, one set of chest, rest, 1 set of back, rest etc. This way your chest, shoulders, and tris can rest while you hit your back and bis. After a while you will find your aerobic capacity going up as this closely resembles sort of a power circuit.

You may shorten rest periods on 15s to attain the lactic acid effect - on the order of 30-60 seconds.

Increase rest periods as you get into the heavier, neural ranges - on 5s and negs you will most likely find it necessary to rest on the order of 2-5 minutes between sets.

Also, shorten rest periods earlier in the workout when you are fresh - then progressively increase rest periods as fatigue accumulates towards the end of the workout.
 
ik rust altijd 5 min. of langer tussen max effort oefeningen, bij nevenoefeningen meestal 3 min. Maar ik meet dit niet, gewoon op gevoel als ik me volledig hersteld voel voor volgende beurt
 
Ik ga meestal voor 1:30 a 2:00 minuten (inclusief wisselen van plates etc.)

Beetje oppeppen voor de volgende set :) Bij mij schijnt dit erg goed te werken, maar kijk gewoon wat voor jou het beste werkt.
 
In de cut gebruik ik vrij korte rustpauzes iig korter dan een min.
En in de bulk een minuut tot anderhalf. Btw. op gevoel...
 
Als je maar genoeg adem hebt om nog een setje te doen. Wel altijd zo snel mogelijk, zodat je in het ritme blijft.
 
ik rust ook niet zo lang max 1min en half
langer voel ik aan als tijdverlies
 
Ik heb het zo snel niet bij de hand, maar heb onlangs een onderzoek zitten lezen waaruit naar voren kwam dat rusten tot je hartslag onder de 100-105 kwam debeste resultaten leverde.
 
Zelda zei:
Maar hoe zit het dan als je je training niet meer binnen een uur redt? Als je langer rust tussen sets, betekent het dan ook dat het niet erg is als je in totaal langer bezig bent?

Staat hier: [Link niet meer beschikbaar] tussen neus en lippen ook nog wat door.
Deze quote nl. over cortisol:
Murk zei:
Ja.
Het hangt van zo veel af hoelang je kan trainen...je intensiteit, rustperiodes (Wakeara is powerlifter bv. die rust denk ik sowieso 3-5 minuten per setje) je voeding en sowieso de 1 kan wel langer trainen en de ander niet.
Ik zelf heb egt verschil gemerkt tussen een uur trainen en ander half uur...


Mugje zei:
In de cut gebruik ik vrij korte rustpauzes iig korter dan een min.En in de bulk een minuut tot anderhalf. Btw. op gevoel...

Waarom verschillende rust afhankelijk van cut/bulk?
 
ik had altijd het idee dat ik te lang rustte, dus dit soort artikeltjes hou ik wel van.
 
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