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Allistair Overeem gaat tekenen bij de UFC(eindelijk bevestigd)

Anoniem zei:
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Rashad Evans krijgt een titelgevecht tegen Rampage of Jones
-Dana wordt geconfronteerd met het feit dat Marloes Coenen wel direct betaald wordt. Daar lult hij omheen en zegt dat ze alleen vechters willen betalen.
-Hij wil graag Overeem in de UFC. Maar hij wil wel Overeem direct betalen en niet Golden Glory.
-Op het einde gaat hij nog een aantal minuten Fedor haten.
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Thx for the spoiler a-hole.
 
Suck my balls lobstar.
 
net al mijn vrienden gewhatsappt en op msn hiermee lastig gevallen. Sommige vroegen voor de bron, ik zo "ow k*t, geen bron.", en de tweede "ow k*t" was dat dit een topic van 2010 is.

Thanks Tremendes.
 
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TeamSjonnie zei:
net al mijn vrienden gewhatsappt en op msn hiermee lastig gevallen. Sommige vroegen voor de bron, ik zo "ow k*t, geen bron.", en de tweede "ow k*t" was dat dit een topic van 2010 is.

Thanks Tremendes.
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Kan ik niet helpen dat jij niet wist dat dit topic hier speelde, daarnaast is het een beetje dom om zonder een topic te lezen gelijk je vriendjes te gaan whatsappen toch?:p
 
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Dana wordt geconfronteerd met het feit dat Marloes Coenen wel direct betaald wordt. Daar lult hij omheen en zegt dat ze alleen vechters willen betalen[/B].
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Hier lulde ie inderdaad schitterend omheen. Het KAN dus wel, dat rechtstreekse betalen. GG en UFC zijn voor die partij kennelijk overeen gekomen dat de betaling rechtstreeks aan de vechter kon/mocht gebeuren. Wat is dan het probleem dat ook voor de andere GG vechters overeen te komen ???. Er zal heus wel wat meer achter zitten.

Ik denk dat het ego van beide partijen hier ook een grote rol speelt en dan met name van Dana White. Je ziet in het interview ook goed hoe hij reageert als ie tegenspraak krijgt, zoals bijvoorbeeld over zijn mening over de kwaliteiten van Fedor. Dan slaat ie om als een blad aan een boom:mad:
 
Stukje van Bas Rutten, interessant om te lezen:

Many people have been asking MY view on what happened with StrikeForce and Golden Glory. Finally, after hearing from the fans and fighters involved, I thought to write what I though.

First thing we heard was: “Dana said that it was the problem from GG management, that they don’t want the checks directly to go to the fighters”. But then there is suddenly a picture from Marloes Coenen’s check on the Internet with her name on it, a check that she cashed herself.

Some will ask, “Why does GG do business like this?” Well, it’s for their own protection of course, but it probably started because some checks from Japan started to bounce from some organizations. And if they didn’t bounce, the fighters would be able to get them cashed 6 or 8 weeks later. Since fighters want their money right away, and GG loves their fighters, they said “No problem, we pay the fighters from our OWN money, pay their trainers and sparring partners, and then when the money comes in, we simply deduct everything from the check that is paid, this way everybody get’s paid”.
I know for a fact, 100% true, that they STILL need to get money from some organizations. The fighters got paid, but GG didn’t because they paid the fighters out of their own money. And some people say that they are crooks? Please explain this to me, who else, what management, give me one name, does this?

As a fighter, this would be something really cool, but even more for the trainers, because, ask trainers how many times they get paid by their fighters? You will be amazed with how many do NOT. I know fighters who became World champion in big organizations, even the UFC, and they never, yes, you read this good, NEVER, paid their trainer (OK, I might be wrong 1 or 2 times from the at least 10 or 15 times, but I am pretty sure I am not wrong). It sickens me and I would love to mention names, but out of respect of their coaches, I won’t. I hope those fighters read this, so they know that I know.

Anyway, these problems don’t exist at GG, at least not when the management is taking care of this.

So we know now why GG does this. And of course when GG heard that the UFC wanted to pay their fighters directly, and that they otherwise didn’t want to do business, GG right away said “OK, no problem”. And that’s why you saw that check from Marloes Coenen popping up.

So what is the real reason then that they let the fighters go?
Well, because we don’t have an answer now, I started speculating and thinking about everything, that’s something you do when you don’t have answers.

The truth is, I don't exactly know, but what I DO know is that Alistair Overeem was in a beautiful spot. When he would win the tournament, his contract would be over and that would put him in a really good spot.

That's about the same situation as I had in Pancrase. I had ONE more fight on the contract, and Pancrase waited for that moment and then put Funaki against me. They thought: "Funaki beat him before, he will do it again, and when that happens, we have Bas in a perfect position for the new contract".

But, that all fell through because I beat Funaki, and now I, not them, was holding the power to negotiate.

Similar position for Alistair, IF he would win his last fight on the contract of course.

You heard from Alistair that he went into the Werdum fight with an injury, and that Scott Coker knew this and told Alistair he HAD to fight, and if he would do that for him, he would give him time to "heal up" after the Werdum fight. "No worries, late fall is gonna be the finals", is what was said to Alistair, his trainer and management

Now, they suddenly changed the date, I believe it was because it fell on the same day as another event, but whatever the reason was (it doesn't really matter), Alistair was promised late fall, NOT early September.

Oh, and for people who wondered about this: why didn't Alistair tell the people he was injured right after his "not Alistair like" performance against Werdum? Because then the people could have understood why he was "off", right?

The reason of that is that Alistair hates people who look for excuses. He even said that Remy Bonjanski deserved an Oscar after he complained about a fight he lost; he also had hard words for Badr Hari when he complained why he lost against Alistair. So the last thing that Alistair wants to do, is be like the guys who he said looked for excuses. Otherwise people are gonna say “He’s complaining about those people, but he’s exactly the same!”

Now, the Big Foot fight, is probably the most important fight in his career, you don't think that he wants to be without injuries before he fights a guy like that?
Especially after fighting with an injury and not able to perform as usual. (he could have lost the fight against Werdum because of it).

And talking about injuries, why didn't StrikeForce ask for his medicals? Could it be because they already knew he was injured? Or did they simply want to get him out of that "Golden contract" that he had? I really don’t know what the reason is, but tell me, could it be something else? Because to me, it all looks weird, and you start getting those conspiracy theory's.

Like, could it be that during all the stress of selling the company, StrikeForce didn't realize what they were doing when making this, for Alistair really good, contract?

Or didn't it matter because they were selling the company anyway?

Because the fact that Alistair IS the StrikeForce heavyweight Champion (and only person in the world who holds a K1 World title and not 1, but 2 different MMA World titles), and that he DOES have a legitimate reason not to fight (X Rays plus letters from Doctors), makes me really wonder why they let him go.

And then, (if that's not weird enough), the next week they suddenly let the rest of GG go, Valentijn Overeem, OK, I expected that, he simply didn't fight, but Jon Olav Einemo (who they, by the way, also paid personally) was UFC and not StrikeForce. And Marloes Coenen after losing only her last fight, which was a World title fight they let her go!?

“They don’t like the management from GG”, is what I have been tweeted by MANY fans, and you know what? It really starts to look like this now.

But, then some of you will say, "Kharitanov is still there, they didn't fire him and he is also GG". Yes, that's true, but that could be true because otherwise everybody would have known 100% that it’s a "powerplay", (that’s what they call it on the internet).

Now we simply never "really know" what went on, all we can do is speculate and making conspiracy theories.

But, whatever the reasons are, the fans lose in this situation. Because the chances that Alistair is going to fight in the UFC now, are slim, and I don't know about you, but I would have loved to see Alistair versus Jr Dos Santos, two top strikers in an MMA match, hell yeah!

So let’s hope it get’s fixed!

Oh, last thing, just so that you know, because people also made their own stories about this in the past.
When Alistair won the SF belt he didn't have contract with SF. SF didn't offer Alistair a contract or fight from Nov 2007 until May of 2009 when they had secured the Showtime deal. This is why he never defended his belt throughout that time. They didn't have the money to pay him or the opponents for him to fight. Look for yourself; look at the heavyweight fights SF had between those dates? Was Alistair supposed to fight Paul Buentello over and over again?
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Soesoeki zei:
Ik denk dat het ego van beide partijen hier ook een grote rol speelt en dan met name van Dana White. Je ziet in het interview ook goed hoe hij reageert als ie tegenspraak krijgt, zoals bijvoorbeeld over zijn mening over de kwaliteiten van Fedor. Dan slaat ie om als een blad aan een boom:mad:
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Dana zal nooit een vechter credit geven die niet in de UFC zit.
 
Anoniem zei:
Dana zal nooit een vechter credit geven die niet in de UFC zit.
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Dat blijkt inderdaad ... ook door de manier waarop ie over Overeem praat. Maar ik doelde eigenlijk meer op de manier waarop hij reageerde toen de reporter van mening verschilde met zijn visie. Duidelijk een man met een groot ego ( is ook wel nodig als goede zakenman ) die altijd zijn zin of gelijk moet hebben. Dat zal ook wel 95% van het probleem tussen hem en GG zijn denk ik.

Jammer want dat ego staat nu de loopbaan van Overeem in de weg :(
 
Hij heeft ongetwijfeld een groot ego maar ik denk dat het voornamelijk strategie van hem is. Hij voedt controverse in de poging grote vechters zo ver te krijgen "zich te bewijzen" in de UFC. Volgens hem kan Fedor er niets van en hoort Overeem niet bij de top 5 Heavyweights. Maar als een van deze gasten een UFC meedoet zal het gelijk een van de populairste fight cards ooit zijn.
 
http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/08/11/golden-glory-says-alistair-overeem-would-sign-a-ufc-only-deal/

Golden Glory Says Alistair Overeem Would Sign a UFC-Only Deal
By Michael David Smith

Despite the rancor between Golden Glory and the UFC, which resulted in several of the Dutch promotion's fighters being released from their Zuffa contracts, top Golden Glory star Alistair Overeem is still interested in signing an exclusive deal with the UFC.

That is one of the revelations in a statement that Golden Glory co-owner Bas Boon released on Thursday.

"We just want to be able to produce great fighters and create great fights for the fans," Boon said in the statement. "We have no intention for co-promotion deals and are even willing to make an exclusive deal for Alistair Overeem to fight in the UFC, if the terms are right."
More: Complete Golden Glory Statement | Dana White Details Split With Overeem

What exactly the right terms would be is not clear, but one thing Boon did make clear is that he takes issue with UFC President Dana White's statements about Golden Glory's payment policies. White said the UFC wanted to pay fighters directly and was uncomfortable with Golden Glory's policy of serving as a middleman for fighter payment, but Boon said Golden Glory is fine with Zuffa paying Overeem, Marloes Coenen, John Olav Einemo and any of its other fighters directly.

"The payment was done how the UFC wanted," Boon said in the statement. "I do not understand why Danna [sic] claims we did not agree? We did not have a choice and never said we would not fight in the future or that we would refuse to work like this in the future (we worked out that problem with the Zuffa lawyer in the Vancouver and even agreed with their new sponsor policies). Maybe there is a miscommunication and Danna [sic] was not well informed that the direct payment issue was solved and no longer an issue."

Boon also placed some of the blame for the problems between Golden Glory and Zuffa on Strikeforce's Scott Coker.

"I introduced Scott through a partner of mine in L.A. to some powerful people in the U.S. (Scott was very surprised after this meeting and exited and mailed me after his meeting with these people how impressed he was). I never could have guessed that at the same moment I was talking to Scott to make a massive move for becoming a real competitor to the UFC, Scott was already talking with the same UFC for selling Strikeforce," Boon said in the statement. "I trusted Scott with some business plans. ... The problems with Strikeforce was that we made some agreements with Scott which were creating headaches now Zuffa took over."

Those headaches, according to Boon, are a major reason that Golden Glory's fighters are having problems with the UFC. But Boon is still hoping those problems will be resolved. And a resolution could result in Overeem inside the Octagon.
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overeem vs brock... dat zou toch te erg zijn! Hoe vet zou die countdown dan zijn... OVEREEM IN THE UFC!!!! gogogogo!!!
 
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Report: Alistair Overeem not released by Strikeforce or stripped of heavyweight title, in negotiations with Zuffa

Despite exercising its right to terminate the final fight on Alistair Overeem's contract, Forza LLC, which operates Strikeforce and is a subsidiary of UFC's parent company, Zuffa LLC, has not released the Strikeforce heavyweight champion.

Bas Boon, who represents Overeem through Dutch management firm Golden Glory, clarified to ESPN.com that the 31-year-old fighter is currently "in a negotiation period with Zuffa." Boon declined to discuss details, though sources familiar with the arrangement between Overeem and Strikeforce explained the fighter is bound to exclusive and separate 120-day negotiation and matching periods with the Las Vegas-based promoter.

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/6...od-zuffa-llc-not-released-representative-says
 
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Update: Lijkt nu toch echt dat eea onderhandelingspolitiek is. Dana wil dus wel, maar lees tussen de regels door dat alistair niet te hoog van de toren moet blazen. Rollen zijn omgedraaid. Alistair heeft momenteel in feite de UFC harder nodig dan andersom. Ik zou zeggen...teken een 3 fight deal bv en sloop ze daar in the octagon en dan volgt de megadeal wel.

In a video interview with NBC Sport's Ariel Helwani, White responded to Boon's recent comments. Here's what he had to say:

One thing I wouldn't do is go out there and lie to all you guys. If the deal was something other than what it was, I wouldn't go out publicly and say, 'These guys wouldn't do this.' You know what I mean? I'm not trying to fight with Bas Boon. I don't dislike Bas Boon or any of the Golden Glory guys. There's never been some kind of situation where there was some kind of fight between us and Golden Glory. I have no resentment whatsoever towards Golden Glory. I've seen Bas Boon a million times. He's a nice guy. We just had different business opinions on how things should be done. He knows and I know and everybody over there (Golden Glory) knows...even the fighters. I don't give a s--- what they tweet, what they take pictures of or what they say. They f------ know exactly how it worked and we would not do it that way. Now if Bas Boon is saying that this is the way that we can do it, then we can absolutely positively make a deal and we can get this thing rolling again."


White went on to talk about the recent communications he has had with Boon, primarily via e-mail.

"Bas Boon sent me an e-mail, right before I came here to Milwaukee. It was basically a simple e-mail, showing me something that a reporter had said. Nothing negative. Just a question he felt should be answered. I said, 'I've been busy. I'm going to Milwaukee. We should talk in the next couple of weeks.'

In closing, Dana proclaimed loudly that he wants the Golden Glory fighters, particularly Alistair Overeem, to be fighting under his company's banner, allowing that the deal is done according to Zuffa standards and practices.

I was in Ireland and I bumped into Alistair and Semmy Schilt there. I walked over. Talked to them. Said 'hi' to them. Took pictures with them and everything else. I got no problem with those guys. No problems with them at all. To be in a position where Alistair could come over and fight in the UFC? Why would I not do it? I chased Fedor (Emelianenko) around...forever, when I told you guys publicly that I didn't think he was the best. Pound-for-pound or otherwise. I was willing to prove it. Let's get him over here. Let's offer him a deal. You think I'm gonna chase Alistair Overeem and don't want him fighting here? You think I want him to go somewhere else? No. Everything I told you guys, last week, about the way things went down was one hundred percent absolutely true. If they (Golden Glory) have changed their mind and, believe me, it took an awful long time to come out with a press release and say, 'Oh ya know, this was the truth.' You guys asked me the question that night. Everybody was blowing me up. I was on the phone telling everybody: 'Here's the deal. This is what's happening and here's why we (Zuffa) can't do a deal with them.' It didn't take me two weeks to come out with a press release. The facts are the facts. It's the way it went down. I said it publicly, which they're probably not used to, either. The Japanese don't come out and talk s--- like I do. I tell you guys the truth and the way that it is. It's the way it went down. If they've changed their mind, we can absolutely make a deal and get their guys in the UFC."

UFC President Dana White can 'absolutely, positively make a deal' with Golden Glory and its fighters - MMAmania.com
 
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